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I was surprised that the first thing I was prompted to do was to download an app and sign up for an account. The TV would not work unless I was signed in I mis

I was surprised that the first thing I was prompted to do was to download an app and sign up for an account. The TV would not work unless I was signed in I missed the part of your comment where you put it back in the box and returned it. (Yeah, I know, understandable reasons. But that's exactly what I would do if it were going in my house.)

michaelt 1mo ago
The problem is for TV manufacturers to change their ways, a lot of TVs will need to be returned. And your average Smart TV buyer is prepared to sign into Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, Prime Video, Crunchyroll, Youtube etc - that's the whole point of buying a smart TV. The only returns will be from the minority who are happy to sign up and sign in for streaming services, but who balk at one more account. Personally, I'm about to return a smart TV (because it sucks) and replace it with a dumb screen. But realistically - I don't imagine these things get returned in sufficient numbers for vendors to change their ways.
- forgotmypw17 1mo ago
  It starts with one.
- RajT88 1mo ago
  I think we won't get meaningful change until a data broker gets hacked and a huge number of people (including elected officials), have their data on display for all to see.
  - lazide 1mo ago
    Why do you think the current admin is always creating so many distractions? That has been happening for years.
  - account42 1mo ago
    When have massive leaks ever caused any real change?
- xmprt 1mo ago
  > your average Smart TV buyer is prepared to sign into Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, Prime Video, Crunchyroll, Youtube etc I think this is starting to change a bit especially as companies crack down on password sharing. Once the dam breaks, there's gonna be a pretty drastic and unstoppable migration towards the "dumb" TV products + more open alternatives. I'm already seeing a lot of families start to move to DVDs and Blurays for kids who just watch the same 5 movies on repeat anyway. This migration is already happening away from Windows. Gaming was the big moat that Windows had but now with Steam Proton and better Linux alternatives, a ton of people are starting to move away and while it's not a significant majority yet, I think the tides have already turned and there's not much Microsoft can do to turn it back.

michaelt 1mo ago

The problem is for TV manufacturers to change their ways, a lot of TVs will need to be returned. And your average Smart TV buyer is prepared to sign into Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, Prime Video, Crunchyroll, Youtube etc - that's the whole point of buying a smart TV. The only returns will be from the minority who are happy to sign up and sign in for streaming services, but who balk at one more account. Personally, I'm about to return a smart TV (because it sucks) and replace it with a dumb screen. But realistically - I don't imagine these things get returned in sufficient numbers for vendors to change their ways.

forgotmypw17 1mo ago
It starts with one.
RajT88 1mo ago
I think we won't get meaningful change until a data broker gets hacked and a huge number of people (including elected officials), have their data on display for all to see.
- lazide 1mo ago
  Why do you think the current admin is always creating so many distractions? That has been happening for years.
- account42 1mo ago
  When have massive leaks ever caused any real change?
xmprt 1mo ago
> your average Smart TV buyer is prepared to sign into Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, Prime Video, Crunchyroll, Youtube etc I think this is starting to change a bit especially as companies crack down on password sharing. Once the dam breaks, there's gonna be a pretty drastic and unstoppable migration towards the "dumb" TV products + more open alternatives. I'm already seeing a lot of families start to move to DVDs and Blurays for kids who just watch the same 5 movies on repeat anyway. This migration is already happening away from Windows. Gaming was the big moat that Windows had but now with Steam Proton and better Linux alternatives, a ton of people are starting to move away and while it's not a significant majority yet, I think the tides have already turned and there's not much Microsoft can do to turn it back.