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I can't access the article, so I don't know which newspaper they were subscribed to. But, given the wording of "the leading national newspaper", I can assume it

I can't access the article, so I don't know which newspaper they were subscribed to. But, given the wording of "the leading national newspaper", I can assume it would be "Le Monde". The audience for the written paper is not less-than-high-school educated. Do you think the wording is at this level ? Eg: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/08/pisa-2025-unprecedented-drop-in-french-students-performance-echoes-worldwide-decline_6757286_7.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/08/pisa-202...

Georgelemental 25d ago
In terms of the actual ideas being promulgated, Le Monde is approximately CP-level.
- sam_lowry_ 25d ago
  CP stands for child porn?
  - theokrueger 25d ago
    hopefully 'college prep' or the like. so highschool-level (low bar)
  - iamacyborg 25d ago
    Cours préparatoire
  - ArnoVW 25d ago
    Classe Préparatoire. When you quit kindergarden and enter ‘real school’. Age 6 I guess it is meant as hyperbole, though I read NRC, Le Monde and NYT and can confirm that le Monde is the leading newspaper of France but it is not the newspaper it was. Mostly opinion and lifestyle, not a lot of investigative or even just in-depth journalism. Mostly preaching (some of it for causes I happen to agree with, but still)
    - phtrivier 24d ago
      Yes, I suppose it's expected to accuse a newspaper of being not high minded enough, and use a childish level of tease. Anyway.... The investigative journalism is still there - they're usually on the same big international stories as the guardian or NYT (which, okay, I get it are not enough to the left to be considered serious in this thread, we get it. Meanwhile the vast majority of people think they're red bastion and watch hard right "news" tv channels and tiktok reals, but let's all pretend it's the same thing to continue feeling smug about ourselves.) However, they're VERY bad at putting those "deep" article in the front page of the website. The "paper" paper does a better job - when a 10 lines articles sits next to a full pager, you get a sense of hierarchy. When there is only the title on the front page, you don't get this. Also, they have "live threads" for everything , and "alerts" for anything.
  - Georgelemental 24d ago
    No, French equivalent of US 1st grade
Saline9515 25d ago
Le Monde is mainly entertainment/preachy articles nowadays. Content and writing is usually better in the "Le Monde Diplomatique", although it's more politically biased. English version: https://mondediplo.com/ https://mondediplo.com/
- tstrimple 25d ago
  To be politically "neutral" is to be biased.
- phtrivier 24d ago
  The front page of Le Monde tonight is about the PISA ranking, a profile of the Putin presidency, an interview about constitutional rights, and an article about Chinese red guards under communist china. Seriously, you call that "entertainment" ? As for calling them to be "preachy", that's another thing; but then presenting the Diplo as a counterpoint is weird, right ? ;) (there is hardly any major newspaper more preachy and self-righteous than them. But, I mean, I'm very glad they _exist_ as long as you don't require me to read it, that's fine.)
  - Saline9515 23d ago
    From today's front page, this kind of article: https://archive.md/Dr1fm https://archive.md/Dr1fm Selection at university, which happens everywhere else in the world, is "controversial". When you read the article, you realize that the main opponents are communists (well, the Stalinist branch, since France has 3 or 4 communist parties), who do around 2-3% in elections. So it's not very controversial, actually. The Diplo is biased but doesn't try to hide their bias with this kind of tedious astroturfing, which I believe is quite toxic for teenagers reading a newspaper. It's a different format, I agree with that, though.

Georgelemental 25d ago

In terms of the actual ideas being promulgated, Le Monde is approximately CP-level.

sam_lowry_ 25d ago
CP stands for child porn?
- theokrueger 25d ago
  hopefully 'college prep' or the like. so highschool-level (low bar)
- iamacyborg 25d ago
  Cours préparatoire
- ArnoVW 25d ago
  Classe Préparatoire. When you quit kindergarden and enter ‘real school’. Age 6 I guess it is meant as hyperbole, though I read NRC, Le Monde and NYT and can confirm that le Monde is the leading newspaper of France but it is not the newspaper it was. Mostly opinion and lifestyle, not a lot of investigative or even just in-depth journalism. Mostly preaching (some of it for causes I happen to agree with, but still)
  - phtrivier 24d ago
    Yes, I suppose it's expected to accuse a newspaper of being not high minded enough, and use a childish level of tease. Anyway.... The investigative journalism is still there - they're usually on the same big international stories as the guardian or NYT (which, okay, I get it are not enough to the left to be considered serious in this thread, we get it. Meanwhile the vast majority of people think they're red bastion and watch hard right "news" tv channels and tiktok reals, but let's all pretend it's the same thing to continue feeling smug about ourselves.) However, they're VERY bad at putting those "deep" article in the front page of the website. The "paper" paper does a better job - when a 10 lines articles sits next to a full pager, you get a sense of hierarchy. When there is only the title on the front page, you don't get this. Also, they have "live threads" for everything , and "alerts" for anything.
- Georgelemental 24d ago
  No, French equivalent of US 1st grade

Saline9515 25d ago

Le Monde is mainly entertainment/preachy articles nowadays. Content and writing is usually better in the "Le Monde Diplomatique", although it's more politically biased. English version: https://mondediplo.com/ https://mondediplo.com/

tstrimple 25d ago
To be politically "neutral" is to be biased.
phtrivier 24d ago
The front page of Le Monde tonight is about the PISA ranking, a profile of the Putin presidency, an interview about constitutional rights, and an article about Chinese red guards under communist china. Seriously, you call that "entertainment" ? As for calling them to be "preachy", that's another thing; but then presenting the Diplo as a counterpoint is weird, right ? ;) (there is hardly any major newspaper more preachy and self-righteous than them. But, I mean, I'm very glad they _exist_ as long as you don't require me to read it, that's fine.)
- Saline9515 23d ago
  From today's front page, this kind of article: https://archive.md/Dr1fm https://archive.md/Dr1fm Selection at university, which happens everywhere else in the world, is "controversial". When you read the article, you realize that the main opponents are communists (well, the Stalinist branch, since France has 3 or 4 communist parties), who do around 2-3% in elections. So it's not very controversial, actually. The Diplo is biased but doesn't try to hide their bias with this kind of tedious astroturfing, which I believe is quite toxic for teenagers reading a newspaper. It's a different format, I agree with that, though.