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In what universe does using encryption to evade the government function as a survival strategy? Real life doesn't work that way. The government always has the

In what universe does using encryption to evade the government function as a survival strategy? Real life doesn't work that way. The government always has the $5 wrench. Or, well, the ability to just shut down your ISP.

bigyabai 24d ago
If you're at the point where the CIA is beating you with a $5 wrench, your encryption is working excellently.
- triceratops 24d ago
  That's cold comfort if you'd rather avoid a wrench beating.
  - jjk166 24d ago
    Did you know they can just beat you with a wrench anyways? The "maybe if we do what they say and don't make a fuss they'll be appeased and stop" strategy fails when matched up against those who will never be appeased and stop.
    - triceratops 24d ago
      > maybe if we do what they say and don't make a fuss I never suggested that. Encryption is necessary but not sufficient. Encrypt your shit. But above all vote, be engaged, and defend your rights like hell. If you're relying on encryption alone to protect you, it's already too late.
      - RHSeeger 24d ago
        Your wording was ambiguous > In what universe does using encryption to evade the government function as a survival strategy? Could be read as either - It functions as a full and complete survival strategy or - One of it's functions is as a survival strategy The former is saying it's all that is needed, the later is saying it's something that can be used in that way (but not saying it's enough). Kind of like saying that food is a human necessity vs saying it is _the_ human necessity.
        triceratops 24d ago
        That was someone else, not me.
  - RhythmFox 24d ago
    I mean we can't help it if metal wrenches are cold... I guess we could ask them to hit them with a blowtorch first?
miohtama 24d ago
It is obviously working when the government says it is working too well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49499394 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49499394
- pocksuppet 23d ago
  Do you really think the government only tells you things that are true?
cloverich 24d ago
Shutting down the isp doesnt let them read what you've sent. There wouldn't be intensive government efforts to eliminate private encryption if it wasn't effective.

bigyabai 24d ago

If you're at the point where the CIA is beating you with a $5 wrench, your encryption is working excellently.

triceratops 24d ago
That's cold comfort if you'd rather avoid a wrench beating.
- jjk166 24d ago
  Did you know they can just beat you with a wrench anyways? The "maybe if we do what they say and don't make a fuss they'll be appeased and stop" strategy fails when matched up against those who will never be appeased and stop.
  - triceratops 24d ago
    > maybe if we do what they say and don't make a fuss I never suggested that. Encryption is necessary but not sufficient. Encrypt your shit. But above all vote, be engaged, and defend your rights like hell. If you're relying on encryption alone to protect you, it's already too late.
    - RHSeeger 24d ago
      Your wording was ambiguous > In what universe does using encryption to evade the government function as a survival strategy? Could be read as either - It functions as a full and complete survival strategy or - One of it's functions is as a survival strategy The former is saying it's all that is needed, the later is saying it's something that can be used in that way (but not saying it's enough). Kind of like saying that food is a human necessity vs saying it is _the_ human necessity.
      - triceratops 24d ago
        That was someone else, not me.
- RhythmFox 24d ago
  I mean we can't help it if metal wrenches are cold... I guess we could ask them to hit them with a blowtorch first?

miohtama 24d ago

It is obviously working when the government says it is working too well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49499394 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49499394

pocksuppet 23d ago
Do you really think the government only tells you things that are true?

cloverich 24d ago

Shutting down the isp doesnt let them read what you've sent. There wouldn't be intensive government efforts to eliminate private encryption if it wasn't effective.