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> the immigration issue that clearly is forefront on the minds of such AFD voters, Let's be real: this "issue" is a strawman. It doesn't really exist, especial

by atq2119 25d ago

> the immigration issue that clearly is forefront on the minds of such AFD voters, Let's be real: this "issue" is a strawman. It doesn't really exist, especially in that part of Germany. Just like pretty much everywhere else, the German anti-immigrant far right is strongest in the areas with the fewest immigrants. This is not to say that the wave of immigration that is now more than 10 years past didn't have its challenges, and they were downplayed by some. But at its core, the immigration scare is just the classic playbook of offering simple but wrong explanations to distract from the class warfare that's being waged by the wealthy. Ideally, we'd turn down the temperature and have patient conversations, but the media environment was made very counterproductive over the last few decades.

cyberpunk 25d ago
Pretty much. It's not a fun time being a brown person in Chemnitz. I'm pretty convinced at this point there's almost nothing we can do about it.
rdm_blackhole 25d ago
> Let's be real: this "issue" is a strawman. It doesn't really exist, especially in that part of Germany. Just like pretty much everywhere else, the German anti-immigrant far right is strongest in the areas with the fewest immigrants This is not a strawman. Even if you believe that the AFD is not correct in its diagnosis of the problems, why are you saying something that is a complete lie: https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/54441/germany-net-migration-at-all-time-high https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/54441/germany-net-migra... According to this organization which sits on the complete on opposite spectrum of the right/far-right, they write that 2.7M people immigrants moved to Germany in 2022 with a net inflow of 1.5M in a single year. According to the same organization, today, immigrants make-up at least 20% of the German population and that's from an article from 2024 so that number is probably low. So if we extrapolate roughly 1 in 4 people living in Germany are not German. That is exactly why the AFD is rising, people just bury their heads in the sand and pretend that there is no problem at all. But I guess its easier to think that 44% of the inhabitants of Saxony-Anhalt are secretly Nazies than admitting that something must change. Lets continue doing that, its been working so well so far!
- atq2119 25d ago
  Nothing in your link is evidence of a problem. It also doesn't explain the regional correlations. If immigrants are objectively a problem, why is anti-immigration sentiment highest in regions with the least immigration? Make it make sense...
- DiogenesKynikos 25d ago
  20% of people in Germany were born abroad. A good share of them have naturalized and are now German citizens. The top countries of origin are Poland, Turkey and Ukraine. Very few of them go to Saxony-Anhalt. Less than 10% of the population of the state is foreign-born. As GP said, anti-immigrant sentiment is strongest where there are the fewest immigrants. > But I guess its easier to think that 44% of the inhabitants of Saxony-Anhalt are secretly Nazies People have a hard time imagining that any person ever voted for the Nazis. 37% of Germans did. It's entirely possible for large parts of the population to vote for fascist parties. It has happened in history before.

by atq2119 25d ago

cyberpunk 25d ago

Pretty much. It's not a fun time being a brown person in Chemnitz. I'm pretty convinced at this point there's almost nothing we can do about it.

rdm_blackhole 25d ago

> Let's be real: this "issue" is a strawman. It doesn't really exist, especially in that part of Germany. Just like pretty much everywhere else, the German anti-immigrant far right is strongest in the areas with the fewest immigrants This is not a strawman. Even if you believe that the AFD is not correct in its diagnosis of the problems, why are you saying something that is a complete lie: https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/54441/germany-net-migration-at-all-time-high https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/54441/germany-net-migra... According to this organization which sits on the complete on opposite spectrum of the right/far-right, they write that 2.7M people immigrants moved to Germany in 2022 with a net inflow of 1.5M in a single year. According to the same organization, today, immigrants make-up at least 20% of the German population and that's from an article from 2024 so that number is probably low. So if we extrapolate roughly 1 in 4 people living in Germany are not German. That is exactly why the AFD is rising, people just bury their heads in the sand and pretend that there is no problem at all. But I guess its easier to think that 44% of the inhabitants of Saxony-Anhalt are secretly Nazies than admitting that something must change. Lets continue doing that, its been working so well so far!

atq2119 25d ago
Nothing in your link is evidence of a problem. It also doesn't explain the regional correlations. If immigrants are objectively a problem, why is anti-immigration sentiment highest in regions with the least immigration? Make it make sense...
DiogenesKynikos 25d ago
20% of people in Germany were born abroad. A good share of them have naturalized and are now German citizens. The top countries of origin are Poland, Turkey and Ukraine. Very few of them go to Saxony-Anhalt. Less than 10% of the population of the state is foreign-born. As GP said, anti-immigrant sentiment is strongest where there are the fewest immigrants. > But I guess its easier to think that 44% of the inhabitants of Saxony-Anhalt are secretly Nazies People have a hard time imagining that any person ever voted for the Nazis. 37% of Germans did. It's entirely possible for large parts of the population to vote for fascist parties. It has happened in history before.