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> I have to run FCM to manage the nodes? But I run HVM to manage the roles? But there’s no overall resource management like VMware vsphere or proxmox does nativ

by yardie 24d ago

> I have to run FCM to manage the nodes? But I run HVM to manage the roles? But there’s no overall resource management like VMware vsphere or proxmox does natively? Microsoft hides their best stuff in SCVMM, which is another product and another license they want you to purchase. Anytime I've asked someone from MS why I can't X like I can in vCenter the response was usually, "oh, it's in System Center. FCM, HVM are just stripped down. If you need it you should buy System Center."

tbyehl 24d ago
SCVMM may technically have the thing you're missing from vCenter... but it's no vCenter. It is a grotesque, MMC plug-in-looking application where nothing quite makes sense to someone accustomed to vCenter or Hyper-V / FCM. Maybe if you're into Azure and slap another layer on top w/ Arc you'll have something that... is less icky but still isn't vCenter. But, hey, The Reg says that VMware is now claiming that vSphere Standard was never really cancelled. https://www.theregister.com/virtualization/2026/09/02/vmware-swings-its-focus-back-to-low-end-server-virt-promises-vsphere-standard-upgrade/5294083 https://www.theregister.com/virtualization/2026/09/02/vmware...
- yardie 24d ago
  Microsoft has done a lot of shitty things, including letting Windows Server and SCVMM languish to push/force their customers to Azure. I've been to a few Ignites and the feeling I got was Server development was starving for resources while the things we've asked for were being deployed to Azure only. I don't think SCVMM is as bad as you portrait. I've used both SCVMM and vCenter. vCenter is so far ahead. And SCVMM was getting there until 2022. When they stopped trying.
  - pjmlp 23d ago
    Windows development in general, sadly, hence why I refer that Microsoft sees Azure as Azure OS. If you think about it, all hyperscalers are hardly any different from old timesharing OSes, the only big difference is the way we get to log into the platform.

by yardie 24d ago

tbyehl 24d ago

SCVMM may technically have the thing you're missing from vCenter... but it's no vCenter. It is a grotesque, MMC plug-in-looking application where nothing quite makes sense to someone accustomed to vCenter or Hyper-V / FCM. Maybe if you're into Azure and slap another layer on top w/ Arc you'll have something that... is less icky but still isn't vCenter. But, hey, The Reg says that VMware is now claiming that vSphere Standard was never really cancelled. https://www.theregister.com/virtualization/2026/09/02/vmware-swings-its-focus-back-to-low-end-server-virt-promises-vsphere-standard-upgrade/5294083 https://www.theregister.com/virtualization/2026/09/02/vmware...

yardie 24d ago
Microsoft has done a lot of shitty things, including letting Windows Server and SCVMM languish to push/force their customers to Azure. I've been to a few Ignites and the feeling I got was Server development was starving for resources while the things we've asked for were being deployed to Azure only. I don't think SCVMM is as bad as you portrait. I've used both SCVMM and vCenter. vCenter is so far ahead. And SCVMM was getting there until 2022. When they stopped trying.
- pjmlp 23d ago
  Windows development in general, sadly, hence why I refer that Microsoft sees Azure as Azure OS. If you think about it, all hyperscalers are hardly any different from old timesharing OSes, the only big difference is the way we get to log into the platform.