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Bunny.net is a good alternative - they don’t have CF depth of offerings but are getting there

by Havoc 18d ago

CommanderData 18d ago
They don't have Cloudflare Tunnels which is almost too good to pass up. I don't particularly understand how CF makes money on it, with the many high traffic sites I have used that I know don't pay CF a dime. Tunnels adds so much more overhead in compute on both ends more than their normal CDN/proxy would.
- ramon156 18d ago
  big corps = big money. they dont make money from your $5/mth static site, its practically free when you're at CF scale
  - CommanderData 18d ago
    What I was talking about: https://newtrackon.com/ https://newtrackon.com/ 10+ BT trackers using CF likely free tier. Low-end EACH 300-500 MILLION HTTP requests/24hr uncached, some exceed a billion reqs/day (using statistics from other open trackers) 20TB-40TB daily, ~1-3 Gbps sustained. That's a crap load of transfer and compute to process those tiny network connections. As someone that's run a Tunnel on a normal site in the millions, the daemon uses a sizeable amount of CPU and I can't see any reason why it's not the same on the other end. Whatever source CF has going on, kudos to them and their engineering team.
    - viraptor 18d ago
      Lots of people will run http over the tunnel rather than https, so that actually comes out cheaper for CF overall because they don't have to start new TLS sessions.
- tmtvl 18d ago
  If you're not paying, you're not the customer; you're the product.
- pocksuppet 17d ago
  You don't pay with money, you pay with the curses^H^H^H^H^H MITM.
tao_oat 18d ago
They're fine for a CDN but overall their offering surprisingly immature IME. The devx for their hosted scripts/database just isn't there, and e.g. they only allow one global API key with full permissions, etc.
- Havoc 17d ago
  Yeah noticed the key thing too - that seems quite dangerous for things like DNS challenge
jarym 18d ago
Like bunny.net - its still tiny compared to CF but hopefully they will grow and won't adopt the crappier bits of CF.
jarco 18d ago
I tried them with our small company. They seem ... young. Support on discord is not something I can sell to our owners. We sent a ticket that activating some of their services instantly caused bad bots to scan our site, and never got a decent reply on that. Their attitude does not inspire confidence and for that reason we scrapped them as an option. Never actually found a good European option besides them, which is sad.
- kosinus 18d ago
  Like, the bad bots you see when they get an https cert issued and it becomes visible in the public logs, or something else? Agree discord sucks.
- viraptor 18d ago
  > We sent a ticket that activating some of their services instantly caused bad bots to scan our site You assigned a new https certificate around that time, didn't you? Those are public now and will cause an immediate scan.
- bcye 18d ago
  There is a normal support ticket system not on Discord, which they loudly advertise for having a very good response time. The Discord server is not the primary support method
  - AndroTux 18d ago
    In my case, the claim was justified. Got a technical response answering my question in detail after half an hour or so.
    - boesboes 18d ago
      That's also my experience. I did have a few instances of 'random requests failing' they couldn't really diagnose back when they were new; but that was just amazon dropping request in the end Service has been great, prices like 10% of cloudflare too once you get the real pricing :P
frevib 18d ago
We use them en they have improved a lot in the last year. For edge services they have all the important thing like ddos protection and edge scripting. There is no replacement for Cloudflare Tunnel, but frp [1] is a good alternative. We don’t miss Cloudflare one bit. [1] https://github.com/fatedier/frp https://github.com/fatedier/frp
s_dev 18d ago
https://eualternative.eu/categories/cdn/ https://eualternative.eu/categories/cdn/
- sparkling 18d ago
  Bunny is the MVP among these European alternatives. It's not just a CDN, it offers Cloudflare-style Edge scripting, Edge workers, databases (Sqlite compatible) etc.
  - s_dev 18d ago
    MVP would be widely understood on this forum to mean "Minimum Viable Product", I don't think that's what you meant. Options are always good to have.
    - boesboes 18d ago
      true, but MVP -> most valuable player might be even more common on the internet, interesting conundrum tbh haha
bakugo 18d ago
Something to consider if you're looking at Bunny.net: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47710845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47710845
- breakingcups 18d ago
  I wonder of the CEO ever got back with an update. It seems awfully quiet in that thread.

Bunny.net is a good alternative - they don’t have CF depth of offerings but are getting there

by Havoc 18d ago

Bunny.net is a good alternative - they don’t have CF depth of offerings but are getting there

They don't have Cloudflare Tunnels which is almost too good to pass up. I don't particularly understand how CF makes money on it, with the many high traffic sites I have used that I know don't pay CF a dime. Tunnels adds so much more overhead in compute on both ends more than their normal CDN/proxy would.

ramon156 18d ago
big corps = big money. they dont make money from your $5/mth static site, its practically free when you're at CF scale
- CommanderData 18d ago
  What I was talking about: https://newtrackon.com/ https://newtrackon.com/ 10+ BT trackers using CF likely free tier. Low-end EACH 300-500 MILLION HTTP requests/24hr uncached, some exceed a billion reqs/day (using statistics from other open trackers) 20TB-40TB daily, ~1-3 Gbps sustained. That's a crap load of transfer and compute to process those tiny network connections. As someone that's run a Tunnel on a normal site in the millions, the daemon uses a sizeable amount of CPU and I can't see any reason why it's not the same on the other end. Whatever source CF has going on, kudos to them and their engineering team.
  - viraptor 18d ago
    Lots of people will run http over the tunnel rather than https, so that actually comes out cheaper for CF overall because they don't have to start new TLS sessions.
tmtvl 18d ago
If you're not paying, you're not the customer; you're the product.
pocksuppet 17d ago
You don't pay with money, you pay with the curses^H^H^H^H^H MITM.

tao_oat 18d ago

They're fine for a CDN but overall their offering surprisingly immature IME. The devx for their hosted scripts/database just isn't there, and e.g. they only allow one global API key with full permissions, etc.

Havoc 17d ago
Yeah noticed the key thing too - that seems quite dangerous for things like DNS challenge

jarym 18d ago

Like bunny.net - its still tiny compared to CF but hopefully they will grow and won't adopt the crappier bits of CF.

jarco 18d ago

I tried them with our small company. They seem ... young. Support on discord is not something I can sell to our owners. We sent a ticket that activating some of their services instantly caused bad bots to scan our site, and never got a decent reply on that. Their attitude does not inspire confidence and for that reason we scrapped them as an option. Never actually found a good European option besides them, which is sad.

kosinus 18d ago
Like, the bad bots you see when they get an https cert issued and it becomes visible in the public logs, or something else? Agree discord sucks.
viraptor 18d ago
> We sent a ticket that activating some of their services instantly caused bad bots to scan our site You assigned a new https certificate around that time, didn't you? Those are public now and will cause an immediate scan.
bcye 18d ago
There is a normal support ticket system not on Discord, which they loudly advertise for having a very good response time. The Discord server is not the primary support method
- AndroTux 18d ago
  In my case, the claim was justified. Got a technical response answering my question in detail after half an hour or so.
  - boesboes 18d ago
    That's also my experience. I did have a few instances of 'random requests failing' they couldn't really diagnose back when they were new; but that was just amazon dropping request in the end Service has been great, prices like 10% of cloudflare too once you get the real pricing :P

frevib 18d ago

We use them en they have improved a lot in the last year. For edge services they have all the important thing like ddos protection and edge scripting. There is no replacement for Cloudflare Tunnel, but frp [1] is a good alternative. We don’t miss Cloudflare one bit. [1] https://github.com/fatedier/frp https://github.com/fatedier/frp

s_dev 18d ago

https://eualternative.eu/categories/cdn/ https://eualternative.eu/categories/cdn/

sparkling 18d ago
Bunny is the MVP among these European alternatives. It's not just a CDN, it offers Cloudflare-style Edge scripting, Edge workers, databases (Sqlite compatible) etc.
- s_dev 18d ago
  MVP would be widely understood on this forum to mean "Minimum Viable Product", I don't think that's what you meant. Options are always good to have.
  - boesboes 18d ago
    true, but MVP -> most valuable player might be even more common on the internet, interesting conundrum tbh haha

bakugo 18d ago

Something to consider if you're looking at Bunny.net: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47710845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47710845

breakingcups 18d ago
I wonder of the CEO ever got back with an update. It seems awfully quiet in that thread.