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1. Ad hominem. 2. No, LG is not perfect here and their TVs are bloated as fuck and they do questionable things privacy-wise. However, that still does not mean t
by p0lychromatic 25d ago
1. Ad hominem.
2. No, LG is not perfect here and their TVs are bloated as fuck and they do questionable things privacy-wise. However, that still does not mean that they listen on every conversation, as shown in the video.
That nuance is important if you value good journalism.
Otherwise if we're just our here throwing random allegations because "corp bad", might as well say LG 's TVs are turning the frickin' frogs gay.
- stuaxo 25d agoIt's not just questionable things, its using dark patterns to do things that wouldn't stand up in court because they definitely illegal in places with data protection laws. Sorry but such contrary takes in the face of this sort of evidence are either contrary for the sake of it or paid astroturfing.
- p0lychromatic 25d agoI agree on the dark patterns. And I do not claim that ACR and all the privacy violating crap bundled into modern devices is good. No, it is evil. However, just because your TV does ACR, does not immediately mean they listen 24/7 through your TV through any conversations even if the TV is off. That is another, also quite different level of claim.
- lovich 25d agoIt’s the era of ai bots and coördinated agitprop from nation states. Spend some time building your reputation before arguing for divisive topics or be ignored. Consider it a mechanical Turk but for social trust.
- p0lychromatic 25d agoHow do you build reputation if everyone starts tells you to build reputation first? You have to start somewhere. Better makes sense to start looking at the arguments rather than the author. It also helps you train your brain. Stop trusting someone solely because of who they are.
- lovich 25d agoThis is hacker news. Not Reddit. You can comment about anything here and build credibility. Just don’t start on the most divisive topics.
- handoflixue 25d agoFour relevant bullet points from the Hacker News Guidelines: * When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. * Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. * Please don't post shallow dismissals * Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. And yet not once does it mention "don't start commenting on divisive topics"
- lovich 24d agoThose guidelines were written before bots could pass the Turing test and before nation states set up active disinformation groups that don’t even set out to push a narrative, but to just push every side of divisive topics just to spread division. You can follow them if you want, but I find it hopelessly naive to trust brand new accounts whose first topics they comment on are touchy ones.