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> quietly built a proxmox cluster Why is your place of work not moving wholesale to Proxmox? It's mad that HyperV is chosen as a solution in this day and age.

cloudie78 28d ago
Legal/Compliance/Risk department along the lines of “ nobody ever got fired for buying ibm”
WokeUp420 27d ago
Proxmox is amateur hour. No enterprise support
- throw0101a 27d ago
  > Proxmox is amateur hour. No enterprise support 24/7 support will be available starting in October: * https://www.proxmox.com/en/about/company-details/press-releases/proxmox-24-7-support-and-proxmox-north-america https://www.proxmox.com/en/about/company-details/press-relea... The other thing perhaps worth noting that the entire stack is open source, even Proxmox's 'special sauce' for management. Depending on your organization, if you can solve a problem with Debian (and Qemu) you can solve a problem with Proxmox.
  - PunchyHamster 27d ago
    If you can solve a problem with Debian and Qemu Proxmox gives you nothing. Better to just use same automation you use for VMs to just keep fleet of bare Debian + KVM machines. Proxmox is for when you don't have a bunch of Linux experts on board. And that's also kinda what enterprises want to pay for, removing "liability" of having to keep very competent team. ...the fact that ends up costing them more everywhere is of no concern to middle management
    - throw0101a 27d ago
      > If you can solve a problem with Debian and Qemu Proxmox gives you nothing. Proxmox gives you centralized management of a fleet of clustered systems with a very handy GUI (as well as CLI and API) that's used by many thousands of installations, which is a lot better than try to cobble together something yourself IMHO. Just because you have "a bunch of Linux experts on board" doesn't mean they have to 'waste' their time on re-inventing the wheel for management of VMs. At my last job we had plenty of Linux folks and primarily ran a whole bunch of OpenStack, but we still used Proxmox for standalone management of VMs for 'tier zero' services (e.g., DNS, SMTP, LDAP, NTP) of various sorts that OpenStack itself depended on.
  - FireBeyond 27d ago
    Anyone requiring that kind of support is likely hitting up Red Hat for OpenShift Virtualization (despite what warts that has, Red Hat meets the "organizational need for support part of the RFPs).
- franktankbank 27d ago
  Is enterprise support super valuable these days when you get shafted anyway? Just pay for in house ya dingus.
- c0l0 27d ago
  This is loser talk.
ExoticPearTree 27d ago
Because it is made of a lot of open source components glued together in different weird ways. Sure, I would trust KVM over Hyper-V any day, but the management sucks for Proxmox. If they build their new Datacenter Manager offering into what vCenter offered and abstract away all the ugliness (imagine creating a "distributed" switch on Proxmox with two clicks) I think they will make a killing.

cloudie78 28d ago

Legal/Compliance/Risk department along the lines of “ nobody ever got fired for buying ibm”

WokeUp420 27d ago

Proxmox is amateur hour. No enterprise support

throw0101a 27d ago
> Proxmox is amateur hour. No enterprise support 24/7 support will be available starting in October: * https://www.proxmox.com/en/about/company-details/press-releases/proxmox-24-7-support-and-proxmox-north-america https://www.proxmox.com/en/about/company-details/press-relea... The other thing perhaps worth noting that the entire stack is open source, even Proxmox's 'special sauce' for management. Depending on your organization, if you can solve a problem with Debian (and Qemu) you can solve a problem with Proxmox.
- PunchyHamster 27d ago
  If you can solve a problem with Debian and Qemu Proxmox gives you nothing. Better to just use same automation you use for VMs to just keep fleet of bare Debian + KVM machines. Proxmox is for when you don't have a bunch of Linux experts on board. And that's also kinda what enterprises want to pay for, removing "liability" of having to keep very competent team. ...the fact that ends up costing them more everywhere is of no concern to middle management
  - throw0101a 27d ago
    > If you can solve a problem with Debian and Qemu Proxmox gives you nothing. Proxmox gives you centralized management of a fleet of clustered systems with a very handy GUI (as well as CLI and API) that's used by many thousands of installations, which is a lot better than try to cobble together something yourself IMHO. Just because you have "a bunch of Linux experts on board" doesn't mean they have to 'waste' their time on re-inventing the wheel for management of VMs. At my last job we had plenty of Linux folks and primarily ran a whole bunch of OpenStack, but we still used Proxmox for standalone management of VMs for 'tier zero' services (e.g., DNS, SMTP, LDAP, NTP) of various sorts that OpenStack itself depended on.
- FireBeyond 27d ago
  Anyone requiring that kind of support is likely hitting up Red Hat for OpenShift Virtualization (despite what warts that has, Red Hat meets the "organizational need for support part of the RFPs).
franktankbank 27d ago
Is enterprise support super valuable these days when you get shafted anyway? Just pay for in house ya dingus.
c0l0 27d ago
This is loser talk.

ExoticPearTree 27d ago

Because it is made of a lot of open source components glued together in different weird ways. Sure, I would trust KVM over Hyper-V any day, but the management sucks for Proxmox. If they build their new Datacenter Manager offering into what vCenter offered and abstract away all the ugliness (imagine creating a "distributed" switch on Proxmox with two clicks) I think they will make a killing.