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-----> "It’s absolutely vacuous to say 'I take responsibility for this' when you are telling a group of people they need to fix their shit." Totally false. It

-----> "It’s absolutely vacuous to say 'I take responsibility for this' when you are telling a group of people they need to fix their shit." Totally false. It's literally the opposite of vacuous to take responsibility for his failure to set up the culture and system wherein this kind of stuff would not happen - while at the same time starting a fire so that the work is done. Allocating responsibility is one of the most important actions. -----> he both 'started a conversation' and ... it's a frenzy. Agreed - it's totally legit that he brought up the issue, and it doesn't have to be perfectly presented ... but that email chain is almost purely reactionary. That is not people seeking root cause. It's not people recognizing underlying systems. It's a reactionary executive gaggle. This is a 'put out the fire' type reactionary stuff. The shocking thing to most people, would be how much of the world is actually run this way. I concede that it's not horrible in and of itself - and sometimes a fire must be lit, but this is a frenzy. Not deliberative. ----> If by underling you mean “highly paid executives” then sure. By 'underling' I mean anyone under him. The executives in this thread are acting like underlings.

dpark 1mo ago
You keep talking about “taking responsibility”. Unless the person taking responsibility is also taking action, which you aren’t even proposing, then it’s just words. It’s more sugar coating. “It’s not you, it’s me.” > This is a 'put out the fire' type reactionary stuff. After the fire fighting comes the postmortem where the systemic issues should be discussed. A fire is a great way to spur both short and long term action. > By 'underling' I mean anyone under him. I don’t know how you reconcile “accountability” with the idea that the a leader cannot expect members of the team to deliver. Is Gates the only person who has any accountability expected here?
- gopher_space 1mo ago
  Do you think personal responsibility travels uphill or downhill? Each of the letters in CEO stand for a word with specific meaning, and when you put them together they tell you where the buck stops. It’s not a job for people who can’t take responsibility for their fuckups.
  - dpark 1mo ago
    > Do you think personal responsibility travels uphill or downhill? This is trying to be pithy but it’s not. Every leader from the CEO down has responsibility for their area of control and influence. > It’s not a job for people who can’t take responsibility for their fuckups. Neither is EVP or any other title that ends in “VP”. The CEO ultimately owned The fact that installing movie maker was a shit show, but so did everyone in a position of leadership that contributed to that. Accountability does not mean everyone gets to point at the CEO and say “ultimately it’s their fault” as if that absolves them.

dpark 1mo ago

You keep talking about “taking responsibility”. Unless the person taking responsibility is also taking action, which you aren’t even proposing, then it’s just words. It’s more sugar coating. “It’s not you, it’s me.” > This is a 'put out the fire' type reactionary stuff. After the fire fighting comes the postmortem where the systemic issues should be discussed. A fire is a great way to spur both short and long term action. > By 'underling' I mean anyone under him. I don’t know how you reconcile “accountability” with the idea that the a leader cannot expect members of the team to deliver. Is Gates the only person who has any accountability expected here?

gopher_space 1mo ago
Do you think personal responsibility travels uphill or downhill? Each of the letters in CEO stand for a word with specific meaning, and when you put them together they tell you where the buck stops. It’s not a job for people who can’t take responsibility for their fuckups.
- dpark 1mo ago
  > Do you think personal responsibility travels uphill or downhill? This is trying to be pithy but it’s not. Every leader from the CEO down has responsibility for their area of control and influence. > It’s not a job for people who can’t take responsibility for their fuckups. Neither is EVP or any other title that ends in “VP”. The CEO ultimately owned The fact that installing movie maker was a shit show, but so did everyone in a position of leadership that contributed to that. Accountability does not mean everyone gets to point at the CEO and say “ultimately it’s their fault” as if that absolves them.