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We run a lot of ESXi with vSphere (part of overall VCF solution). It works very well. But I am part of Big Corp. so they don’t mind paying. We are good via warr

We run a lot of ESXi with vSphere (part of overall VCF solution). It works very well. But I am part of Big Corp. so they don’t mind paying. We are good via warranties etc using what we already purchased. I don’t know that I share the same sentiment that we could have just used ProxMox. We are a Dell heavy shop and there is a new Dell Private Cloud product that is very promising. More like choose your own adventure.

Incipient 1mo ago
This is the only POSSIBLE rational argument for this approach. 4x price, on 1/2 the customer base is still 2x revenue with less customers to deal with. They want to keep the Big Corp clients that are happy to pay. Now if it actually works out like this, only time will tell I suppose?
- yndoendo 1mo ago
  It will work for some time for Broadcom. They are private equity (PE); jack prices and don't care about the quality. Heard the stories from a previous company taken by PE. Big business never think of the future. Good example is when two companies merged the brought down the cost of poly. Took a couple years for gravitation to the mean to bring up the base cost. They kept thinking it would stay low form them with being so big. The Big Business that are staying with VMWare really should be tasking to know the cost of replacement with estimated time frame with a known successor. Yet, MB are blinded by staying with a known working tool. Perform the task on a few servers to reduce cost while investing in the education to do so. Big MBs really don't have a clear idea of investing wealth.
WokeUp420 1mo ago
Dell private cloud lock in would be the death of any company. You don't want to be isolated to one hardware vendor. We've told Dell to kick rocks many times for renewals and would not be able to do that if we were in their Cloud, which requires Dell hardware. Don't do it
- firesteelrain 1mo ago
  It’s not their Cloud, you buy a bunch of PowerEdge R7725 for example and then choose between OpenShift, VCF and one other I can’t remember at the moment. It’s on prem
  - jasomill 1mo ago
    How does this help with hardware vendor lock-in, unless there's a second source for PowerEdges I'm not aware of?
    - firesteelrain 1mo ago
      You can use the PowerEdge however you want. No lock in to VMware for VxRail, OpenShift, Azure, Nutanix etc https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/private-cloud/sf/private-cloud?gacd=16229420-1362-5761040-441689965-0&dgc=ST&SA360CID=22667010623&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22667010623&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5P7UBhDaARIsAOSlS1PwpcC9Kx4JuCqJoocoaF2inzmT_SniAxRGYxXXQxv9arXyIoyEJl8aAkt_EALw_wcB https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/private-cloud/sf/private-clo...
  - WokeUp420 1mo ago
    The problem is you must use Dell hardware. Sure it makes being hypervisor agnostic much easier, but you then become locked into a single hardware vendor that has you by the balls every 3 years when hardware refresh comes along. We've switched between HP and SMC several times when Dell has tried to extort us.
    - firesteelrain 1mo ago
      I can’t run HP or Super Micro in my industry.
      - WokeUp420 1mo ago
        When negotiation start, Dell doesn't need to know that

Incipient 1mo ago

This is the only POSSIBLE rational argument for this approach. 4x price, on 1/2 the customer base is still 2x revenue with less customers to deal with. They want to keep the Big Corp clients that are happy to pay. Now if it actually works out like this, only time will tell I suppose?

yndoendo 1mo ago
It will work for some time for Broadcom. They are private equity (PE); jack prices and don't care about the quality. Heard the stories from a previous company taken by PE. Big business never think of the future. Good example is when two companies merged the brought down the cost of poly. Took a couple years for gravitation to the mean to bring up the base cost. They kept thinking it would stay low form them with being so big. The Big Business that are staying with VMWare really should be tasking to know the cost of replacement with estimated time frame with a known successor. Yet, MB are blinded by staying with a known working tool. Perform the task on a few servers to reduce cost while investing in the education to do so. Big MBs really don't have a clear idea of investing wealth.

WokeUp420 1mo ago

Dell private cloud lock in would be the death of any company. You don't want to be isolated to one hardware vendor. We've told Dell to kick rocks many times for renewals and would not be able to do that if we were in their Cloud, which requires Dell hardware. Don't do it

firesteelrain 1mo ago
It’s not their Cloud, you buy a bunch of PowerEdge R7725 for example and then choose between OpenShift, VCF and one other I can’t remember at the moment. It’s on prem
- jasomill 1mo ago
  How does this help with hardware vendor lock-in, unless there's a second source for PowerEdges I'm not aware of?
  - firesteelrain 1mo ago
    You can use the PowerEdge however you want. No lock in to VMware for VxRail, OpenShift, Azure, Nutanix etc https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/private-cloud/sf/private-cloud?gacd=16229420-1362-5761040-441689965-0&dgc=ST&SA360CID=22667010623&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22667010623&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5P7UBhDaARIsAOSlS1PwpcC9Kx4JuCqJoocoaF2inzmT_SniAxRGYxXXQxv9arXyIoyEJl8aAkt_EALw_wcB https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/private-cloud/sf/private-clo...
- WokeUp420 1mo ago
  The problem is you must use Dell hardware. Sure it makes being hypervisor agnostic much easier, but you then become locked into a single hardware vendor that has you by the balls every 3 years when hardware refresh comes along. We've switched between HP and SMC several times when Dell has tried to extort us.
  - firesteelrain 1mo ago
    I can’t run HP or Super Micro in my industry.
    - WokeUp420 1mo ago
      When negotiation start, Dell doesn't need to know that