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There's reduced data available for initial conditions, so I wonder how that will effect things: * https://apnews.com/article/weather-forecasts-worsen-doge-trum

There's reduced data available for initial conditions, so I wonder how that will effect things: * https://apnews.com/article/weather-forecasts-worsen-doge-trump-cuts-tornado-da573a044916c06cebcdb92b1f1452e6 https://apnews.com/article/weather-forecasts-worsen-doge-tru... * https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/doge-noaa-weather-usa-b3035937.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... A good book on the history of forecasting, The Weather Machine: A Journey Inside the Forecast: * https://www.andrewblum.net/the-weather-machine-2 https://www.andrewblum.net/the-weather-machine-2

yreg 28d ago
Don't plenty of android devices have barometers? I expect Google being Google and recording all that data unless you opt out. Would that be practical for weather forecasting or not really?
- throw0101a 27d ago
  > Would that be practical for weather forecasting or not really? What are the conditions at 5000 feet, 10000, etc? What is the location of the jet stream and its strength? The reduced number of (e.g.) weather balloons is hindering forecasts (per the links).
- Majromax 27d ago
  A barometer will give you surface pressure, but that's a field that tends to vary relatively slowly over the surface of the Earth. The calibrated weather stations that exist at every airstrip do a reasonable job of providing these conditions over land, and the residual of "pressure from phones" probably won't help all that much. The data that would be most valuable to initial conditions is upper-atmosphere winds -- this is the kind of data given by weather balloons. In clear air there's no great way to measure this from either the ground or from space. One important supplemental data source here are aviation reports, from planes flying at altitude and particularly trans-oceanic routes. When air traffic was largely curtailed during the early phase of the Covid pandemic, weather forecasting suffered a bit for the lack of data (see eg https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-centre/news/2020/drop-aircraft-observations-could-have-impact-weather-forecasts https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-centre/news/2020/drop-a...).

yreg 28d ago

Don't plenty of android devices have barometers? I expect Google being Google and recording all that data unless you opt out. Would that be practical for weather forecasting or not really?

throw0101a 27d ago
> Would that be practical for weather forecasting or not really? What are the conditions at 5000 feet, 10000, etc? What is the location of the jet stream and its strength? The reduced number of (e.g.) weather balloons is hindering forecasts (per the links).
Majromax 27d ago
A barometer will give you surface pressure, but that's a field that tends to vary relatively slowly over the surface of the Earth. The calibrated weather stations that exist at every airstrip do a reasonable job of providing these conditions over land, and the residual of "pressure from phones" probably won't help all that much. The data that would be most valuable to initial conditions is upper-atmosphere winds -- this is the kind of data given by weather balloons. In clear air there's no great way to measure this from either the ground or from space. One important supplemental data source here are aviation reports, from planes flying at altitude and particularly trans-oceanic routes. When air traffic was largely curtailed during the early phase of the Covid pandemic, weather forecasting suffered a bit for the lack of data (see eg https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-centre/news/2020/drop-aircraft-observations-could-have-impact-weather-forecasts https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-centre/news/2020/drop-a...).