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Hitler was also put in power legally

by oulipo 24d ago

sajithdilshan 24d ago
Just because you don’t like the result of the election doesn’t make it undemocratic. It was a fair and just election and people have voted what they want and that’s how democracy works.
- gpderetta 23d ago
  It is undemocratic when the democratically elected people wants to subvert the democratic order. Most (but not all!) democratic countries have constitutions that actually limit the power of elected people exactly for this reason. Especially those countries that ended up democratically electing dictators on the eve of WWII have constitutions that severely limit the power of the executive.
  - sajithdilshan 22d ago
    Then let the constitutional court decide if the actions of the democratically elected party has done anything against the constitution. So far it has not happened and just because you have your hypocritical on how a party might act doesn’t make the said party undemocratical.
- oulipo 23d ago
  You seem too simple-minded to understand the issue with fascists. Perhaps try opening an history book?
toomuchtodo 24d ago
So is democracy always good? Or not? If you say you’re anti democracy, a certain cohort gets upset. If you say you’re anti fascist but fascists get elected via democracy, another cohort gets upset. “Democracy always works” has been shown to be objectively false, and so I’m unsure how we can say it is an optimal governance system. Works sometimes, but sometimes it doesn’t. Can we tolerate the failure modes until reversion to the mean? Depends on your tolerance for the costs. https://www.axios.com/2026/09/06/afd-saxony-anhalt-germany-far-right-firewall https://www.axios.com/2026/09/06/afd-saxony-anhalt-germany-f... > Why it matters: Germany rebuilt its democracy after Nazi rule with unusually strong safeguards against extremism. AfD's breakthrough shows those barriers aren't stopping Europe's far right from becoming dominant electoral forces. > Context: Germany's postwar system was built in the shadow of the Nazis' destruction of the democratic Weimar Republic. > The 1949 Basic Law embraces the concept of a "militant democracy" to defend against movements that seek to abolish the constitutional order.
- Luker88 24d ago
  > “Democracy always works” has been shown to be objectively false Citation needed, never heard this said by anybody. "democracy" is a wide, wide thing. Technically Russia is a democracy. Also in Europe democracies' presidents don't have the same level of power as Trump, and are more limited. Democracies only work as long as the people are smart, invested, informed and politicians are accountable and changed often to avoid concentration of power. Bureaucracy is hell, until you realize it's a feature since it complicates power grabs. Even Churchill said "democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others", so I really have no idea where you got the "it always works" from.
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Hitler was also put in power legally

by oulipo 24d ago

Hitler was also put in power legally

Just because you don’t like the result of the election doesn’t make it undemocratic. It was a fair and just election and people have voted what they want and that’s how democracy works.

gpderetta 23d ago
It is undemocratic when the democratically elected people wants to subvert the democratic order. Most (but not all!) democratic countries have constitutions that actually limit the power of elected people exactly for this reason. Especially those countries that ended up democratically electing dictators on the eve of WWII have constitutions that severely limit the power of the executive.
- sajithdilshan 22d ago
  Then let the constitutional court decide if the actions of the democratically elected party has done anything against the constitution. So far it has not happened and just because you have your hypocritical on how a party might act doesn’t make the said party undemocratical.
oulipo 23d ago
You seem too simple-minded to understand the issue with fascists. Perhaps try opening an history book?

toomuchtodo 24d ago

So is democracy always good? Or not? If you say you’re anti democracy, a certain cohort gets upset. If you say you’re anti fascist but fascists get elected via democracy, another cohort gets upset. “Democracy always works” has been shown to be objectively false, and so I’m unsure how we can say it is an optimal governance system. Works sometimes, but sometimes it doesn’t. Can we tolerate the failure modes until reversion to the mean? Depends on your tolerance for the costs. https://www.axios.com/2026/09/06/afd-saxony-anhalt-germany-far-right-firewall https://www.axios.com/2026/09/06/afd-saxony-anhalt-germany-f... > Why it matters: Germany rebuilt its democracy after Nazi rule with unusually strong safeguards against extremism. AfD's breakthrough shows those barriers aren't stopping Europe's far right from becoming dominant electoral forces. > Context: Germany's postwar system was built in the shadow of the Nazis' destruction of the democratic Weimar Republic. > The 1949 Basic Law embraces the concept of a "militant democracy" to defend against movements that seek to abolish the constitutional order.

Luker88 24d ago
> “Democracy always works” has been shown to be objectively false Citation needed, never heard this said by anybody. "democracy" is a wide, wide thing. Technically Russia is a democracy. Also in Europe democracies' presidents don't have the same level of power as Trump, and are more limited. Democracies only work as long as the people are smart, invested, informed and politicians are accountable and changed often to avoid concentration of power. Bureaucracy is hell, until you realize it's a feature since it complicates power grabs. Even Churchill said "democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others", so I really have no idea where you got the "it always works" from.
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