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Not that I'm defending grumblers, but I think a lot of the upset and anger comes from the fact that the opportunities aren't as readily available as they once w

Not that I'm defending grumblers, but I think a lot of the upset and anger comes from the fact that the opportunities aren't as readily available as they once were. The developed world is a much more regimented place than it once was, with fewer employers will to take chances on the people they employ. The classic trap a lot of Gen Y find themselves in is that they're not considered for jobs because they don't have experience, and can't get experience because they can't get the jobs. It's a pretty good catch-22.

bmmayer1 14y ago
I don't know. There have been a lot of stories how young people are just a lot less willing to take risks than they used to be. I can tell you for a fact there are wide open $120k jobs in North Dakota and they are desperate for young up-and-comers, but no one wants to move to North Dakota. Older generations just didn't have that privilege. A generation ago, Gen Xers would leave home and move across the country just to have opportunity. Now, people are living with their parents til the age of 30. It's partially a change in culture and partially a consequence of not needing to really take risk to get ahead. The prevailing attitude is "I deserve this, so I'll just wait and it will come to me." At least that's the attitude among many of my peers.
- HarryHirsch 14y ago
  One wouldn't doubt that there are well-paying jobs in North Dakota, but with a total of 700K people living in the whole state one immediately ask just how many $120K jobs there are, and how many applicants there are for each such job.
  - bmmayer1 14y ago
    Lots. The fracking boom makes it the fastest growing economy in the country.
    - HarryHirsch 14y ago
      Lots? The whole state has about as many people living in it as the Columbus metro area, and the price of housing has been bid through the roof. ND isn't going to make a dent in the national unemployment statistics, and with a 2-bedroom apartment going at USD 2500/month no one moving there is going to get rich either.
  - prostoalex 14y ago
    He's right http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/28/pf/north_dakota_jobs/index.htm http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/28/pf/north_dakota_jobs/index.h... Even liberal arts majors qualify.
vacri 14y ago
Fewer employers taking chances? What about Gen Y being the generation of job-hoppers? It's hard for a demographic to build up seniority in the workplace when they're so mobile between them.
helmut_hed 14y ago
The classic trap ... is that they're not considered for jobs because they don't have experience, and can't get experience because they can't get the jobs This has always been a problem and IMO the solution in previous generations was that a time came when the job market was tight and companies just had to hire somebody, so they were willing to take a chance. Or people at the top had retired, and everybody moved up, and there was some slack in the budget, so they brought some new grads on board. With a persistently weak economy and people delaying their retirement, both effects are getting suppressed.

bmmayer1 14y ago

I don't know. There have been a lot of stories how young people are just a lot less willing to take risks than they used to be. I can tell you for a fact there are wide open $120k jobs in North Dakota and they are desperate for young up-and-comers, but no one wants to move to North Dakota. Older generations just didn't have that privilege. A generation ago, Gen Xers would leave home and move across the country just to have opportunity. Now, people are living with their parents til the age of 30. It's partially a change in culture and partially a consequence of not needing to really take risk to get ahead. The prevailing attitude is "I deserve this, so I'll just wait and it will come to me." At least that's the attitude among many of my peers.

HarryHirsch 14y ago
One wouldn't doubt that there are well-paying jobs in North Dakota, but with a total of 700K people living in the whole state one immediately ask just how many $120K jobs there are, and how many applicants there are for each such job.
- bmmayer1 14y ago
  Lots. The fracking boom makes it the fastest growing economy in the country.
  - HarryHirsch 14y ago
    Lots? The whole state has about as many people living in it as the Columbus metro area, and the price of housing has been bid through the roof. ND isn't going to make a dent in the national unemployment statistics, and with a 2-bedroom apartment going at USD 2500/month no one moving there is going to get rich either.
- prostoalex 14y ago
  He's right http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/28/pf/north_dakota_jobs/index.htm http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/28/pf/north_dakota_jobs/index.h... Even liberal arts majors qualify.

vacri 14y ago

Fewer employers taking chances? What about Gen Y being the generation of job-hoppers? It's hard for a demographic to build up seniority in the workplace when they're so mobile between them.

helmut_hed 14y ago

The classic trap ... is that they're not considered for jobs because they don't have experience, and can't get experience because they can't get the jobs This has always been a problem and IMO the solution in previous generations was that a time came when the job market was tight and companies just had to hire somebody, so they were willing to take a chance. Or people at the top had retired, and everybody moved up, and there was some slack in the budget, so they brought some new grads on board. With a persistently weak economy and people delaying their retirement, both effects are getting suppressed.