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I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.

by fny 28d ago

catchnear4321 28d ago
I reject your intelligence and substitute my own?
zulux 28d ago
There's an escape valve: I've had Claude stand-up AI-enabled features in my app, so we're much less dependent on Claude itself. The app uses cheap API calls to check code quality and run other "lessons learned" sweeps. Some of these become regular code in the end as well.
- vidarh 28d ago
  Same. Claude "loves" writing tools to make checks deterministic so much that I actually have to pull it back sometimes and point out that some things need to keep using LLMs. But even then, I have it "farm out" a lot of things to scripts using dirt-cheap models for things I don't need a Sonnet or higher level model for as well. The proportion that runs on the SOTA models keeps dropping.
gruez 28d ago
But there's open models that are (pessimistically) 1 year behind? It's not like if openai decided to rugpull everyone, we'd be going back to writing code by hand and all the developers who forgot how to fizzbuzz would be screwed.
- ghostly_s 28d ago
  Open models still need compute.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 28d ago
    Open AI rents compute. It seems unlikely given the huge investments they have already spent that they can profitably match someone who is just selling GPU time.
- dgellow 28d ago
  Open weight models are way closer to frontiers than that
- benterix 28d ago
  > we'd be going back to writing code by hand Well, as as SWE who writes code by hand and has no intention to outsource their intelligence to any entity, I felt slightly offended by "back".
  - nightski 28d ago
    Are you a member of a team? Then you are the outsourced intelligence. Your manager is not writing everything by hand, they are outsourcing it to you. Just understand that may change (I mean I am already mentally prepared for it to be a thing of the past within years). If you are purely writing software for hobby/fun then disregard, nothing will stop you from doing that.
    - benterix 27d ago
      I have no problem with other people outsourcing their intelligence to me, I've been doing this for years. But I prefer not to outsource my intelligence, at least not for things I care about, for various reasons.
      - nightski 27d ago
        Do you use an operating system? What about databases? Or the myriad of other software used which we build upon. I can't imagine a professional coding context where we don't outsource intelligence to some degree, if not a major degree. We stand on the shoulders of giants as they say.
        benterix 25d ago
        It's not a problem at all. It's only for the things I care about and I consider important for a couple of reasons (maintaining and developing mental models etc.).
- fny 28d ago
  An open model is not your brain.

I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.

by fny 28d ago

I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.

catchnear4321 28d ago

I reject your intelligence and substitute my own?

zulux 28d ago

There's an escape valve: I've had Claude stand-up AI-enabled features in my app, so we're much less dependent on Claude itself. The app uses cheap API calls to check code quality and run other "lessons learned" sweeps. Some of these become regular code in the end as well.

vidarh 28d ago
Same. Claude "loves" writing tools to make checks deterministic so much that I actually have to pull it back sometimes and point out that some things need to keep using LLMs. But even then, I have it "farm out" a lot of things to scripts using dirt-cheap models for things I don't need a Sonnet or higher level model for as well. The proportion that runs on the SOTA models keeps dropping.

gruez 28d ago

But there's open models that are (pessimistically) 1 year behind? It's not like if openai decided to rugpull everyone, we'd be going back to writing code by hand and all the developers who forgot how to fizzbuzz would be screwed.

ghostly_s 28d ago
Open models still need compute.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 28d ago
  Open AI rents compute. It seems unlikely given the huge investments they have already spent that they can profitably match someone who is just selling GPU time.
dgellow 28d ago
Open weight models are way closer to frontiers than that
benterix 28d ago
> we'd be going back to writing code by hand Well, as as SWE who writes code by hand and has no intention to outsource their intelligence to any entity, I felt slightly offended by "back".
- nightski 28d ago
  Are you a member of a team? Then you are the outsourced intelligence. Your manager is not writing everything by hand, they are outsourcing it to you. Just understand that may change (I mean I am already mentally prepared for it to be a thing of the past within years). If you are purely writing software for hobby/fun then disregard, nothing will stop you from doing that.
  - benterix 27d ago
    I have no problem with other people outsourcing their intelligence to me, I've been doing this for years. But I prefer not to outsource my intelligence, at least not for things I care about, for various reasons.
    - nightski 27d ago
      Do you use an operating system? What about databases? Or the myriad of other software used which we build upon. I can't imagine a professional coding context where we don't outsource intelligence to some degree, if not a major degree. We stand on the shoulders of giants as they say.
      - benterix 25d ago
        It's not a problem at all. It's only for the things I care about and I consider important for a couple of reasons (maintaining and developing mental models etc.).
fny 28d ago
An open model is not your brain.