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Art is "expression of an idea". Programming ISN'T art; the program/game/website could be, but programming is a CRAFT. The people he mentions are not artists, th

by sunkeeh 26d ago

Art is "expression of an idea". Programming ISN'T art; the program/game/website could be, but programming is a CRAFT. The people he mentions are not artists, they are craftsmen.

stingraycharles 26d ago
It’s a similar type of art like pottery can be. Edit: I see you changed your comment and now introduced it being a craft, which changes the comment entirely.
whilenot-dev 26d ago
I feel like your definition of Art is too simplistic and incomplete. At least since Joseph Beuys we know that "anything can be Art", and it's just a matter of how an "expression of an idea" is used to lift something up to the status of being Art. Crafts, as practices, are not excluded from that potential. While some artists turn the labor-intensive aspects of crafting into a part of their expression (including any angles on tradition and social-economic factors), like Ai Weiweis[0] installation Sunflower Seeds[1] in the Tate Modern in London, others might focus on the community aspect of crafting as part of their media, like how Thomas Hirschhorns[2] installation Musée précaire Albinet[3][4][5] close to Paris takes crafting as a means to "be present and produce something together on location", as "agreement", as part of a community in a public space, and as inclusion of anybody beyond differences in the understanding of Art. AFAICR he could even get the Mona Lisa from the Louvre for a few days to exhibit it there. Besides, I think it's safe to say that any work in the field of Performing Arts is based on an analysis of their craft. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_Weiwei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_Weiwei [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Seeds_(artwork) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Seeds_(artwork) [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hirschhorn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hirschhorn [3]: https://www.thomashirschhorn.com/musee-precaire-albinet/ https://www.thomashirschhorn.com/musee-precaire-albinet/ [4]: https://www.thomashirschhorn.com/about-the-musee-precaire-albinet/ https://www.thomashirschhorn.com/about-the-musee-precaire-al... [5]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus%C3%A9e_pr%C3%A9caire_Albinet https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus%C3%A9e_pr%C3%A9caire_Albin...
ModernMech 26d ago
I wrote a programming language because I wanted to express the way my brain works and to help people understand the way certain people think about the world. Art or craft?
Towaway69 26d ago
Art is a word, Craft is a word, this line is a sentence, and the whole text is a paragraph. Does any of it really matter? A Urinal[1] can be Art. A collection of programs[2] can be Art. Why? Because we define it as such. Art isn't clearly defined nor should it be. Art is an expression of an idea, and at the same time, it isn't. It depends on what you think, what I believe and what everyone else knows. Art for me is the expression of the fact that nothing makes sense yet we act as if we understand the sense behind it all, and at the same time, I dunno. This is not a pipe[3]. As this is not a program or is it? Apparently this can be a prompt to generate code - nowadays. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp) [2] https://p-dpa.net/work/code-poems/ https://p-dpa.net/work/code-poems/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images
dmitrybrant 26d ago
Don Knuth would like a word: https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html

by sunkeeh 26d ago

Art is "expression of an idea". Programming ISN'T art; the program/game/website could be, but programming is a CRAFT. The people he mentions are not artists, they are craftsmen.

stingraycharles 26d ago

It’s a similar type of art like pottery can be. Edit: I see you changed your comment and now introduced it being a craft, which changes the comment entirely.

whilenot-dev 26d ago

I feel like your definition of Art is too simplistic and incomplete. At least since Joseph Beuys we know that "anything can be Art", and it's just a matter of how an "expression of an idea" is used to lift something up to the status of being Art. Crafts, as practices, are not excluded from that potential. While some artists turn the labor-intensive aspects of crafting into a part of their expression (including any angles on tradition and social-economic factors), like Ai Weiweis[0] installation Sunflower Seeds[1] in the Tate Modern in London, others might focus on the community aspect of crafting as part of their media, like how Thomas Hirschhorns[2] installation Musée précaire Albinet[3][4][5] close to Paris takes crafting as a means to "be present and produce something together on location", as "agreement", as part of a community in a public space, and as inclusion of anybody beyond differences in the understanding of Art. AFAICR he could even get the Mona Lisa from the Louvre for a few days to exhibit it there. Besides, I think it's safe to say that any work in the field of Performing Arts is based on an analysis of their craft. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_Weiwei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_Weiwei [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Seeds_(artwork) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Seeds_(artwork) [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hirschhorn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hirschhorn [3]: https://www.thomashirschhorn.com/musee-precaire-albinet/ https://www.thomashirschhorn.com/musee-precaire-albinet/ [4]: https://www.thomashirschhorn.com/about-the-musee-precaire-albinet/ https://www.thomashirschhorn.com/about-the-musee-precaire-al... [5]: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus%C3%A9e_pr%C3%A9caire_Albinet https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus%C3%A9e_pr%C3%A9caire_Albin...

ModernMech 26d ago

I wrote a programming language because I wanted to express the way my brain works and to help people understand the way certain people think about the world. Art or craft?

Towaway69 26d ago

Art is a word, Craft is a word, this line is a sentence, and the whole text is a paragraph. Does any of it really matter? A Urinal[1] can be Art. A collection of programs[2] can be Art. Why? Because we define it as such. Art isn't clearly defined nor should it be. Art is an expression of an idea, and at the same time, it isn't. It depends on what you think, what I believe and what everyone else knows. Art for me is the expression of the fact that nothing makes sense yet we act as if we understand the sense behind it all, and at the same time, I dunno. This is not a pipe[3]. As this is not a program or is it? Apparently this can be a prompt to generate code - nowadays. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp) [2] https://p-dpa.net/work/code-poems/ https://p-dpa.net/work/code-poems/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images

dmitrybrant 26d ago

Don Knuth would like a word: https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html