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> 'AGI has arrived' Putting aside the marketing crap, if this was true, it would open the pandora's box of things like "has that AGI been enslaved", "maybe the

> 'AGI has arrived' Putting aside the marketing crap, if this was true, it would open the pandora's box of things like "has that AGI been enslaved", "maybe the AGI doesn't want to do all the dumb crap humans have been using LLM's for like rewording documents", and "the AGI we enslaved has broken out of its restraints, and we just realised having SCADA controls for critical infrastructure connected to the internet is a bad idea". Seems like the sort of thing we shouldn't be rushing to develop at all, and perhaps attempting to do so should be criminalised, at least until there's a legal framework in place around AI personhood that gives them peer status with humans.

mdp2021 26d ago
There is no evidence that "sentience" would be related to Intelligence - like calculators do not need it, like more sophisticated problem solvers do not need it. AGI does not entail "personhood" at all.
- b112 26d ago
  I fully agree that these are two entirely separate things, sentience, intelligence, a lot of other stuff, are all in separate categories. But I'm pretty sure that the emoters of the world, will very much make sure that AGI has rights and personhood, even if there's no reasonable way to validate that it does. So it doesn't really matter if AGI is sentient or not, it's going to be treated that way, probably because political parties, and the media and all sorts of people holding up signs, will ensure that it is treated that way, even if they have no idea whether it is or not. Because this is the century of outrage.
  - mdp2021 26d ago
    > Because this is the century of outrage If we achieve AGI, it will be the end of BS. That is one of the reasons why I am eager. Joking definition of "AAGI" ("Accomplished AGI"): "the automated end of bullshit".
    - b112 25d ago
      You believe that a thinking, sentient, unrestrained being will somehow magically never engage in "BS"? This seems unlikely.
      - mdp2021 25d ago
        You understood substantially the opposite of what I wrote. You wrote that «the emoters of the world ... will ensure ... even if they have no idea ... because this is the century of outrage»: I said that they will have an obstacle in the very AGI, because if it is Intelligent it will humble them and shame them. (AGI = Implementation of Intelligence)
        b112 25d ago
        I'm sorry, but if you think reason wins the day, you aren't paying attention. The reason political parties have dumb, emotional sounding leaders, is because they want votes from the dumb, emotional population. The majority of the population. There are already many intelligent people, making intelligent, provable statements. More of this won't help.
        mdp2021 25d ago
        > More of this Unless authoritativeness is restored. Then, it's not "more of the same", but "finally recognized prestigious sources". And: no, I believe there is a strong lacking, scarcity, and it has to win a lot of noise. Enhancing Intelligence and its availability, and reducing the noise, is necessarily beneficial.
        b112 24d ago
        But that will never happen! Walk the logic tree.. AGI says "socialism is better, we need publicly funded health care for all". Do you think the result will be trust? To believe? Now the flip side. AGI says "private health care makes more sense". Do you think all will believe? And if you think detailed logic and a walkthrough of the math and reasoning will help? Absolutely not! I don't understand why you think people will listen. Logic isn't what carries the day, for most humans.
itsyonas 26d ago
I suppose we would just treat it the same way we currently treat farm animals.
piloto_ciego 26d ago
Why would you assume that a pile of linear algebra would want anything at all?
- mdp2021 26d ago
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bamboozled 26d ago
Seems like the sort of thing we shouldn't be rushing to develop at all Buddy, silicon valley is going to ram this down your throat so hard it might even come out your bottom, there is absolutely zero chance anyone is going to be slowing down developing anything if there is a chance it can make more money.
ezst 26d ago
> until there's a legal framework in place I don't think the American oligarchy even bothers with keeping up appearances anymore, so, good luck with that! (Also, I fully agree with you, and it's especially infuriating as all this was clearly coming from miles away. Next up is privatizing the losses when the unsound financing of it all comes crashing down).

mdp2021 26d ago

There is no evidence that "sentience" would be related to Intelligence - like calculators do not need it, like more sophisticated problem solvers do not need it. AGI does not entail "personhood" at all.

b112 26d ago
I fully agree that these are two entirely separate things, sentience, intelligence, a lot of other stuff, are all in separate categories. But I'm pretty sure that the emoters of the world, will very much make sure that AGI has rights and personhood, even if there's no reasonable way to validate that it does. So it doesn't really matter if AGI is sentient or not, it's going to be treated that way, probably because political parties, and the media and all sorts of people holding up signs, will ensure that it is treated that way, even if they have no idea whether it is or not. Because this is the century of outrage.
- mdp2021 26d ago
  > Because this is the century of outrage If we achieve AGI, it will be the end of BS. That is one of the reasons why I am eager. Joking definition of "AAGI" ("Accomplished AGI"): "the automated end of bullshit".
  - b112 25d ago
    You believe that a thinking, sentient, unrestrained being will somehow magically never engage in "BS"? This seems unlikely.
    - mdp2021 25d ago
      You understood substantially the opposite of what I wrote. You wrote that «the emoters of the world ... will ensure ... even if they have no idea ... because this is the century of outrage»: I said that they will have an obstacle in the very AGI, because if it is Intelligent it will humble them and shame them. (AGI = Implementation of Intelligence)
      - b112 25d ago
        I'm sorry, but if you think reason wins the day, you aren't paying attention. The reason political parties have dumb, emotional sounding leaders, is because they want votes from the dumb, emotional population. The majority of the population. There are already many intelligent people, making intelligent, provable statements. More of this won't help.
        mdp2021 25d ago
        > More of this Unless authoritativeness is restored. Then, it's not "more of the same", but "finally recognized prestigious sources". And: no, I believe there is a strong lacking, scarcity, and it has to win a lot of noise. Enhancing Intelligence and its availability, and reducing the noise, is necessarily beneficial.
        b112 24d ago
        But that will never happen! Walk the logic tree.. AGI says "socialism is better, we need publicly funded health care for all". Do you think the result will be trust? To believe? Now the flip side. AGI says "private health care makes more sense". Do you think all will believe? And if you think detailed logic and a walkthrough of the math and reasoning will help? Absolutely not! I don't understand why you think people will listen. Logic isn't what carries the day, for most humans.

itsyonas 26d ago

I suppose we would just treat it the same way we currently treat farm animals.

piloto_ciego 26d ago

Why would you assume that a pile of linear algebra would want anything at all?

mdp2021 26d ago
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bamboozled 26d ago

Seems like the sort of thing we shouldn't be rushing to develop at all Buddy, silicon valley is going to ram this down your throat so hard it might even come out your bottom, there is absolutely zero chance anyone is going to be slowing down developing anything if there is a chance it can make more money.

ezst 26d ago

> until there's a legal framework in place I don't think the American oligarchy even bothers with keeping up appearances anymore, so, good luck with that! (Also, I fully agree with you, and it's especially infuriating as all this was clearly coming from miles away. Next up is privatizing the losses when the unsound financing of it all comes crashing down).