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I share the sentiment but the question here is how long can we maintain the balance point where the human in the agentic loop is required. It might be a window

I share the sentiment but the question here is how long can we maintain the balance point where the human in the agentic loop is required. It might be a window lasting only a few years, or for the foreseeable future; I think the answer lies the opaque compute economics of the frontier lab: how well models keep scaling and how economically sustainable is serving those models under the current market conditions.

post-it 19d ago
If my job gets automated, I'll find something else to do. I wouldn't have wanted lamplighters to succeed in preventing electrification, so it would be unfair for me to prevent the automation of my job if it can be done.
- harimau777 19d ago
  What if that something else pays less? Or doesn't pay enough to live at all?
  - post-it 18d ago
    That's life. I'm lucky to be interested in and also good at a profession that pays well. If I lose that and in exchange everyone gets to be good at making software, then that's a sacrifice I feel obligated to make for the benefit of humanity, and I'll still have more savings than someone not in this profession.
anonzzzies 19d ago
I use Astra to drive Fable; I drivel into my phone while walking in the forest and it builds. I don’t need to check; I do as clients need to pay, but it always is great. And it surprises me with things I did not know were possible even (never encountered them before so why would I know). We are at the point where our clients send voice messages and they get what they want without humans basically. This costs 10+10 max2 subs but that’s nothing compared to hiring people. We didn’t fire anyone; we just have 100+ more clients and make almost 50x more money. It’s boring but great as long as it lasts, we are already where you say for what enterprises generally need for the boring parts. That’s 99%.
- flyinglizard 19d ago
  I find I still add value, but I don't know if my value is real. Am I just biased and expect things to be done a certain way and penalize the model for doing something different? and am I providing the model with enough high quality context to align with my expectations in one-shot?

post-it 19d ago

If my job gets automated, I'll find something else to do. I wouldn't have wanted lamplighters to succeed in preventing electrification, so it would be unfair for me to prevent the automation of my job if it can be done.

harimau777 19d ago
What if that something else pays less? Or doesn't pay enough to live at all?
- post-it 18d ago
  That's life. I'm lucky to be interested in and also good at a profession that pays well. If I lose that and in exchange everyone gets to be good at making software, then that's a sacrifice I feel obligated to make for the benefit of humanity, and I'll still have more savings than someone not in this profession.

anonzzzies 19d ago

I use Astra to drive Fable; I drivel into my phone while walking in the forest and it builds. I don’t need to check; I do as clients need to pay, but it always is great. And it surprises me with things I did not know were possible even (never encountered them before so why would I know). We are at the point where our clients send voice messages and they get what they want without humans basically. This costs 10+10 max2 subs but that’s nothing compared to hiring people. We didn’t fire anyone; we just have 100+ more clients and make almost 50x more money. It’s boring but great as long as it lasts, we are already where you say for what enterprises generally need for the boring parts. That’s 99%.

flyinglizard 19d ago
I find I still add value, but I don't know if my value is real. Am I just biased and expect things to be done a certain way and penalize the model for doing something different? and am I providing the model with enough high quality context to align with my expectations in one-shot?