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Is that "difficult" quote from a separate source? I can't find it in the text of the linked report. Also, the report says that both red and blue states had bot

Is that "difficult" quote from a separate source? I can't find it in the text of the linked report. Also, the report says that both red and blue states had both overcounts and undercounts, which is a different picture than "over counts in blue states". It is accurate that more blue states had overcounts and more red states had undercounts. I realise your question is rhetorical, but the report does offer a possible answer: "The 2020 Census faced many challenges such as conducting fieldwork during the COVID-19 pandemic. Other challenges to the 2020 Census included con- troversy around a proposed citizenship question and changes in the duration of the Nonresponse Followup operation." It's plausible that those "challenges" could have been experienced unevenly by state, particularly with how politicised the pandemic and its mitigations were in the US.

rayiner 28d ago
Yeah, good catch. Meant to link to two sources, the census bureau admission and an article describing it. I forgot to paste one of them: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3504546-census-blunder-may-tip-2024-to-democrats/amp/ https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3504546-census-blunder-...
- CalChris 28d ago
  Opinion.
  - rayiner 28d ago
    So what? The article describes the political implications of the Census Bureau errors. I cited the Census Bureau release itself so you can cross-check whether the factual assertions in the article are accurate.
    - estearum 27d ago
      The article describes political implications, and also implies political causes. So it's useful to identify this as not something a journalist or credible outlet would actually put their name to.
      - rayiner 27d ago
        > and also implies political causes. > So it's useful to identify this as not something a journalist or credible outlet would actually put their name to. Why? And is the bottom line point wrong? Gemini, citing a Pew Research study, seems to agree that Republicans lost 3-5 seats due to apportionment errors: https://share.google/aimode/9yPrkEU1U08abPWzF https://share.google/aimode/9yPrkEU1U08abPWzF > An independent analysis by the Pew Research Center and election data experts calculated exactly how those specific errors altered the final map. If the census had perfectly matched the PES estimates, the seats would have shifted as follows: [table showing apportionment errors cost Texas and Florida 1 seat each, and gave Minnesota, Rhode Island, and New York 1 undeserved seat each. Fucking up 5 House seats for a decade seems like a firing-worthy offense.
        estearum 26d ago
        Is your understanding that they found "the person responsible" for this "error" (of people not self-reporting to Census workers?) and then fired them? That seems to be what you believe happened, but it's not.
AlotOfReading 28d ago
Also worth pointing out that when the census can't collect individualized data, they estimate it based on existing government data. The quality of data varies significantly depending on the local government, and pretty much all governments were struggling to figure out the current state of things during the pandemic.

rayiner 28d ago

Yeah, good catch. Meant to link to two sources, the census bureau admission and an article describing it. I forgot to paste one of them: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3504546-census-blunder-may-tip-2024-to-democrats/amp/ https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3504546-census-blunder-...

CalChris 28d ago
Opinion.
- rayiner 28d ago
  So what? The article describes the political implications of the Census Bureau errors. I cited the Census Bureau release itself so you can cross-check whether the factual assertions in the article are accurate.
  - estearum 27d ago
    The article describes political implications, and also implies political causes. So it's useful to identify this as not something a journalist or credible outlet would actually put their name to.
    - rayiner 27d ago
      > and also implies political causes. > So it's useful to identify this as not something a journalist or credible outlet would actually put their name to. Why? And is the bottom line point wrong? Gemini, citing a Pew Research study, seems to agree that Republicans lost 3-5 seats due to apportionment errors: https://share.google/aimode/9yPrkEU1U08abPWzF https://share.google/aimode/9yPrkEU1U08abPWzF > An independent analysis by the Pew Research Center and election data experts calculated exactly how those specific errors altered the final map. If the census had perfectly matched the PES estimates, the seats would have shifted as follows: [table showing apportionment errors cost Texas and Florida 1 seat each, and gave Minnesota, Rhode Island, and New York 1 undeserved seat each. Fucking up 5 House seats for a decade seems like a firing-worthy offense.
      - estearum 26d ago
        Is your understanding that they found "the person responsible" for this "error" (of people not self-reporting to Census workers?) and then fired them? That seems to be what you believe happened, but it's not.

AlotOfReading 28d ago

Also worth pointing out that when the census can't collect individualized data, they estimate it based on existing government data. The quality of data varies significantly depending on the local government, and pretty much all governments were struggling to figure out the current state of things during the pandemic.