I don't really get why we are caring if clojure will spreand or not. Would be cool if everybody asked to make a website in compojure and enlive instead of RoR,

I don't really get why we are caring if clojure will spreand or not. Would be cool if everybody asked to make a website in compojure and enlive instead of RoR, but I didn't learn ckojure for that. Who learn clojure is doing so because it will teach him a new way to think. (Clojure will really change the way you think especially if you come from OOP) The way in which clojure is build makes very difficult to create a single huge framework and it is not helping. You learn Ruby on Rails to build website, not ruby. (That because a framework, for definition, let you do things in just its way). Clojure do not have frameworks, it has a good number of libraries that you can modulate and use as you wish, there is not just one way to do something (macro...?). (Honestly I believe that it is good, especially if you are the kind of programmer who likes to think). Then what the 1.5 version is bringing (reducers) are pretty cool IMO, then I see the other macros cond->, cond->>, as->, more like sugar, but I have never used it so I am sure I will be surprised.