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If everyone is so comfortable, what do we need a revolution for? Wasn't that the goal of civilization? If someone doesn't like civilization, why try to bring it

If everyone is so comfortable, what do we need a revolution for? Wasn't that the goal of civilization? If someone doesn't like civilization, why try to bring it down? There's plenty of places on earth you can go to live without it.

pjerem 27d ago
It sounds like you don’t know what it means to have your ancestors fighting to death for freedom and rights, being enslaved in work camps… The fight is to never get to this situation again and to keep the rights people died for you to have. You act like things are binary “comfort” vs “horrible life”. It’s not like Fascism grows slowly and then suddenly you are locked.
- chanakya 27d ago
  I agree we should all be fighting to keep what we have, which is pretty good. But that sounds like the opposite of a revolution to me.
ranger_danger 27d ago
Most people are comfortable, but not everyone. At least, comfortable in the sense that they are not willing to die for their country/people at the moment, and aren't personally affected by most of the bad things their government does. In the US at least, things like high food/gas prices or unemployment/healthcare issues are just one of many other issues, and aren't causing most people so much pain that they are willing to pick up a weapon and give up their lives. Or even peacefully protest. People that had enough money that they weren't paying attention to the price of groceries before Trump, probably still don't care all that much now. I might eat out less, but that's not worth abandoning my family or dying over to me. It takes 3.5% of the population to effect change: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
- chanakya 27d ago
  The kind of problems you're describing certainly don't sound like things you should "pick up a weapon and give up your life" for, so this doesn't seem to add an argument in favour of "revolution".
  - ranger_danger 27d ago
    Right, and unless enough people are personally affected, I don't see there being one. I think this was an inevitable outcome of western culture's individualism being inherently selfish.

pjerem 27d ago

It sounds like you don’t know what it means to have your ancestors fighting to death for freedom and rights, being enslaved in work camps… The fight is to never get to this situation again and to keep the rights people died for you to have. You act like things are binary “comfort” vs “horrible life”. It’s not like Fascism grows slowly and then suddenly you are locked.

chanakya 27d ago
I agree we should all be fighting to keep what we have, which is pretty good. But that sounds like the opposite of a revolution to me.

ranger_danger 27d ago

Most people are comfortable, but not everyone. At least, comfortable in the sense that they are not willing to die for their country/people at the moment, and aren't personally affected by most of the bad things their government does. In the US at least, things like high food/gas prices or unemployment/healthcare issues are just one of many other issues, and aren't causing most people so much pain that they are willing to pick up a weapon and give up their lives. Or even peacefully protest. People that had enough money that they weren't paying attention to the price of groceries before Trump, probably still don't care all that much now. I might eat out less, but that's not worth abandoning my family or dying over to me. It takes 3.5% of the population to effect change: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule

chanakya 27d ago
The kind of problems you're describing certainly don't sound like things you should "pick up a weapon and give up your life" for, so this doesn't seem to add an argument in favour of "revolution".
- ranger_danger 27d ago
  Right, and unless enough people are personally affected, I don't see there being one. I think this was an inevitable outcome of western culture's individualism being inherently selfish.