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I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for.

by hasley 27d ago

catlover76 27d ago
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TacticalCoder 27d ago
> I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for. I feel so angry and ashamed for what the EU bureaucrats and politicians have done to the EU. Many people do feel like me. I'm not german but I know that half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis": they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries. You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions and expect the entirety of the population to, like you, beg for more.
- cineticdaffodil 27d ago
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- EA-3167 27d ago
  Maybe they woke up one day and realized that the tolerance offered to neo-Nazis had been increasing steadily, and a tipping point had been reached where they could finally be themselves in public? I mean if you want to do what we (the US) did and pretend that this is all about economic and social anxiety go ahead, but you're going to learn the same lesson we did too: Some people have never changed, only hidden, and now they're coming out. They've been trying since day one, but enough of the people who remember the bad old days are dead, and everyone needs to relearn the cyclical lesson once again. Usually it doesn't take a major war, hopefully this time won't either.
- Arodex 26d ago
  >You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions Tell us what has changed abruptly. Concrete examples. And if things have changed so much, why do they seem stuck in the 1930s? >they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries. And that is why they vote for billionaires to get the right to punch poor and different people. And to shout "Sieg! Heil!" at meetings. Oh, sorry, they shout "Sieg! Mund!". Totally different /s >half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis" Funny how they still have the same chants and slogans.
cineticdaffodil 27d ago
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mrtksn 27d ago
It appears that every 5th or 2nd German likes them a lot, depending on the state. Why is that? Is Russia going the have Soviets 2.0 where this time the Orthodox Church is part of the administration and Germany will be Nazi Germany 2.0 but this time Jews and Homosexuals are welcome?
- lukan 27d ago
  They don't like them. They just hate everything established more. Reasons: Migration Crisis, Corona, ... bitterness about the world in general.
  - mrtksn 27d ago
    Are you sure about that? Landslide surely implies dissatisfaction with the others but it also implies tolerance. Apparently Germany will give it a go. The turnout is extremely high, they didn’t just not go voting, they actively showed up for AfD.
    - lukan 27d ago
      Since I live in a area with high AfD support, yes I am sure that they don't "like" this party in the usual sense you would use that word. For some it is rather cult like, they are united in hate, in not much else. If they really would succed and take power - they would start bloody infighting very, very quickly (it shows quite often already).
      - mrtksn 27d ago
        How much would you say that US billionaires can be credited for this? It’s very weird to watch US billionaires, UK right wingers, Putin and other long time rulers seem like having a group chat and being in sync.
        lukan 27d ago
        Not much probably, the sentiment existed before, but Musk's support for instance did made an impact. You know, richest man supporting a party, and poor people thinking, oh, I also want to be associated with being rich and I also am angry at X. It made more people seriously considering them I suppose.
LargoLasskhyfv 27d ago
Wir haben unter Schmutzatmosphäre verkackt. Besser kann ich's nicht unter schonender Schutzatmosphäre verpacken.
0bytes 27d ago
Merz is von Papen 2.0. The same arrogance and overestimation of himself, a textbook old white man.
throwawaypath 26d ago
You should look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're so angry and ashamed of democracy.
- hackyhacky 26d ago
  Were you pleased with the functioning of Germany democracy in 1932?
  - throwawaypath 26d ago
    No one who's cracked a history book open was pleased with that. Nazis were not elected democratically in the traditional sense; they never won a majority in a free national election. You're following me around in the comments because you're crashing out about being proven wrong here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137
    - hackyhacky 26d ago
      > they never won a majority in a free national election. They legally won a plurality in the Bundestag, which is sufficient for Hitler to be legally appointed chancellor, which made everything that follows legal. Like it or not, the Nazi regime was a legal result of democracy. Democracy, neither then nor now, requires an absolute majority, which is why so many European governments are formed as coalitions. AfD did not win a majority in Saxony-Anhalt either. Nevertheless, a person can justifiably feel disappointed by the democratic outcome, both then and now, without being dismissive of democracy itself. > You're following me around in the comments I am doing my part to eliminate misinformation and stupidity in the world. You're welcome.
      - throwawayfifo 12d ago
        >They legally won a plurality in the Bundestag No they didn't. The elections in 1933 were not by any means "free democratic elections." The election was far from fair and legal. It was carried out in an atmosphere of intimidation and illegal violence against political opponents. >Like it or not, the Nazi regime was a legal result of democracy. Wrong, this is false. They undemocratically jailed and then outlawed the opposition to secure the vote. >Democracy, neither then nor now, requires an absolute majority, which is why so many European governments are formed as coalitions. No one made this claim. >AfD did not win a majority in Saxony-Anhalt either. Nevertheless, a person can justifiably feel disappointed by the democratic outcome, both then and now, without being dismissive of democracy itself. The opposition parties and opponents are being dismissive of democracy itself. They're fascistically attempting to ban the AfD... banning the opposition to secue the vote, like the Nazis. >I am doing my part to eliminate misinformation and stupidity in the world. The best way for you to do that would be to stop posting. Thanks.

I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for.

by hasley 27d ago

I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for.

catlover76 27d ago

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TacticalCoder 27d ago

> I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for. I feel so angry and ashamed for what the EU bureaucrats and politicians have done to the EU. Many people do feel like me. I'm not german but I know that half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis": they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries. You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions and expect the entirety of the population to, like you, beg for more.

cineticdaffodil 27d ago
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EA-3167 27d ago
Maybe they woke up one day and realized that the tolerance offered to neo-Nazis had been increasing steadily, and a tipping point had been reached where they could finally be themselves in public? I mean if you want to do what we (the US) did and pretend that this is all about economic and social anxiety go ahead, but you're going to learn the same lesson we did too: Some people have never changed, only hidden, and now they're coming out. They've been trying since day one, but enough of the people who remember the bad old days are dead, and everyone needs to relearn the cyclical lesson once again. Usually it doesn't take a major war, hopefully this time won't either.
Arodex 26d ago
>You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions Tell us what has changed abruptly. Concrete examples. And if things have changed so much, why do they seem stuck in the 1930s? >they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries. And that is why they vote for billionaires to get the right to punch poor and different people. And to shout "Sieg! Heil!" at meetings. Oh, sorry, they shout "Sieg! Mund!". Totally different /s >half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis" Funny how they still have the same chants and slogans.

cineticdaffodil 27d ago

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mrtksn 27d ago

It appears that every 5th or 2nd German likes them a lot, depending on the state. Why is that? Is Russia going the have Soviets 2.0 where this time the Orthodox Church is part of the administration and Germany will be Nazi Germany 2.0 but this time Jews and Homosexuals are welcome?

lukan 27d ago
They don't like them. They just hate everything established more. Reasons: Migration Crisis, Corona, ... bitterness about the world in general.
- mrtksn 27d ago
  Are you sure about that? Landslide surely implies dissatisfaction with the others but it also implies tolerance. Apparently Germany will give it a go. The turnout is extremely high, they didn’t just not go voting, they actively showed up for AfD.
  - lukan 27d ago
    Since I live in a area with high AfD support, yes I am sure that they don't "like" this party in the usual sense you would use that word. For some it is rather cult like, they are united in hate, in not much else. If they really would succed and take power - they would start bloody infighting very, very quickly (it shows quite often already).
    - mrtksn 27d ago
      How much would you say that US billionaires can be credited for this? It’s very weird to watch US billionaires, UK right wingers, Putin and other long time rulers seem like having a group chat and being in sync.
      - lukan 27d ago
        Not much probably, the sentiment existed before, but Musk's support for instance did made an impact. You know, richest man supporting a party, and poor people thinking, oh, I also want to be associated with being rich and I also am angry at X. It made more people seriously considering them I suppose.

LargoLasskhyfv 27d ago

Wir haben unter Schmutzatmosphäre verkackt. Besser kann ich's nicht unter schonender Schutzatmosphäre verpacken.

0bytes 27d ago

Merz is von Papen 2.0. The same arrogance and overestimation of himself, a textbook old white man.

throwawaypath 26d ago

You should look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're so angry and ashamed of democracy.

hackyhacky 26d ago
Were you pleased with the functioning of Germany democracy in 1932?
- throwawaypath 26d ago
  No one who's cracked a history book open was pleased with that. Nazis were not elected democratically in the traditional sense; they never won a majority in a free national election. You're following me around in the comments because you're crashing out about being proven wrong here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137
  - hackyhacky 26d ago
    > they never won a majority in a free national election. They legally won a plurality in the Bundestag, which is sufficient for Hitler to be legally appointed chancellor, which made everything that follows legal. Like it or not, the Nazi regime was a legal result of democracy. Democracy, neither then nor now, requires an absolute majority, which is why so many European governments are formed as coalitions. AfD did not win a majority in Saxony-Anhalt either. Nevertheless, a person can justifiably feel disappointed by the democratic outcome, both then and now, without being dismissive of democracy itself. > You're following me around in the comments I am doing my part to eliminate misinformation and stupidity in the world. You're welcome.
    - throwawayfifo 12d ago
      >They legally won a plurality in the Bundestag No they didn't. The elections in 1933 were not by any means "free democratic elections." The election was far from fair and legal. It was carried out in an atmosphere of intimidation and illegal violence against political opponents. >Like it or not, the Nazi regime was a legal result of democracy. Wrong, this is false. They undemocratically jailed and then outlawed the opposition to secure the vote. >Democracy, neither then nor now, requires an absolute majority, which is why so many European governments are formed as coalitions. No one made this claim. >AfD did not win a majority in Saxony-Anhalt either. Nevertheless, a person can justifiably feel disappointed by the democratic outcome, both then and now, without being dismissive of democracy itself. The opposition parties and opponents are being dismissive of democracy itself. They're fascistically attempting to ban the AfD... banning the opposition to secue the vote, like the Nazis. >I am doing my part to eliminate misinformation and stupidity in the world. The best way for you to do that would be to stop posting. Thanks.