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Some of y'all are from countries that are in great turmoil. Which is partly or mostly our fault. Maybe we could concentrate on doing less of that.

what_hn 26d ago
It really is not the fault of the US that Mexico has drug gangs that kill people at random. It's not the fault that Pakistan and India are nearly at war forever. It's not the US fault that many countries support and require female genital mutilation. The US is not as evil as you think.
- nullsanity 26d ago
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- InsideOutSanta 26d ago
  > It really is not the fault of the US that Mexico has drug gangs that kill people at random This is a direct result of the "war on drugs" perpetrated by the US. The other two are genuinely not the fault of the US, but bringing up two examples where the US wasn't the source of the problem doesn't exactly contradict the original claim.
  - throwitaway222 26d ago
    The war on drugs definitely didn't cause the drug trade or the murders. If anything it's the fault of leftist US government stance on drugs that weaken border security and allow drugs to get in (and therefore fund more drugs to be produced). And besides all that, the drug trade has been going on for far longer than you know. And including the murders. > Which is partly or mostly our fault. It does contradict the original claim because it's 3 examples of things we didn't cause - and he said "mostly our fault". If it takes 3 seconds to think of things we didn't cause, then the world's craziness is not mostly the fault of America. Mostly the US has a hand in stopping communist governments where the citizens are kept as slaves.
    - InsideOutSanta 26d ago
      > The war on drugs definitely didn't cause the drug trade or the murders You should be a lot less confident in your opinions. The war on drugs required violent interventions against drug production in Mexico, which directly created militarized, violent drug cartels. Example: pressured by the US, Felipe Calderón launched Operation Michoacán in 2006 with U.S. backing and funding. He deployed tens of thousands of federal forces. Mexico has recorded more than 463,000 homicides since that declaration of war on the cartels, a huge increase. Just look at the data. > and he said "mostly our fault". If it takes 3 seconds to think of things we didn't cause He said "mostly" because he knows there are counterexamples, so providing counterexamples doesn't contradict his point. > Mostly the US has a hand in stopping communist governments where the citizens are kept as slaves. This is such a genuinely undiscriminating statement that I can't help but categorize it as dumb. I don't usually say this, but you need to stop listening to propaganda and pick up a few actual history books. Until you do, any discussion is pointless, because you're so stuck in your ideology that facts can't penetrate the bubble. That's really all I have for you. It's up to you to fix yourself.
      - throwitaway222 24d ago
        Has it occurred to you that there are history books that both back what I am saying and what you're saying? Which ones are handed out in a leftist college?
        muddi900 19d ago
        Conservapedia is not a history book.
    - beedeebeedee 26d ago
      > The war on drugs definitely didn't cause the drug trade or the murders. Have to stop you right there. The “war on drugs” absolutely has created the conditions for the drug trade and the murders. If you criminalize a large part of the economy, then only criminals will profit from it. If we had sane drug policy, there would not be the profit that attracts these criminals. Additionally, the US intelligence services (and other nations) have a long documented role in cultivating the drug trade for diverse reasons: for profit and paying for operations, for control of regions, and to provide a reservoir of violence to disguise or facilitate their work.

what_hn 26d ago

It really is not the fault of the US that Mexico has drug gangs that kill people at random. It's not the fault that Pakistan and India are nearly at war forever. It's not the US fault that many countries support and require female genital mutilation. The US is not as evil as you think.

nullsanity 26d ago
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InsideOutSanta 26d ago
> It really is not the fault of the US that Mexico has drug gangs that kill people at random This is a direct result of the "war on drugs" perpetrated by the US. The other two are genuinely not the fault of the US, but bringing up two examples where the US wasn't the source of the problem doesn't exactly contradict the original claim.
- throwitaway222 26d ago
  The war on drugs definitely didn't cause the drug trade or the murders. If anything it's the fault of leftist US government stance on drugs that weaken border security and allow drugs to get in (and therefore fund more drugs to be produced). And besides all that, the drug trade has been going on for far longer than you know. And including the murders. > Which is partly or mostly our fault. It does contradict the original claim because it's 3 examples of things we didn't cause - and he said "mostly our fault". If it takes 3 seconds to think of things we didn't cause, then the world's craziness is not mostly the fault of America. Mostly the US has a hand in stopping communist governments where the citizens are kept as slaves.
  - InsideOutSanta 26d ago
    > The war on drugs definitely didn't cause the drug trade or the murders You should be a lot less confident in your opinions. The war on drugs required violent interventions against drug production in Mexico, which directly created militarized, violent drug cartels. Example: pressured by the US, Felipe Calderón launched Operation Michoacán in 2006 with U.S. backing and funding. He deployed tens of thousands of federal forces. Mexico has recorded more than 463,000 homicides since that declaration of war on the cartels, a huge increase. Just look at the data. > and he said "mostly our fault". If it takes 3 seconds to think of things we didn't cause He said "mostly" because he knows there are counterexamples, so providing counterexamples doesn't contradict his point. > Mostly the US has a hand in stopping communist governments where the citizens are kept as slaves. This is such a genuinely undiscriminating statement that I can't help but categorize it as dumb. I don't usually say this, but you need to stop listening to propaganda and pick up a few actual history books. Until you do, any discussion is pointless, because you're so stuck in your ideology that facts can't penetrate the bubble. That's really all I have for you. It's up to you to fix yourself.
    - throwitaway222 24d ago
      Has it occurred to you that there are history books that both back what I am saying and what you're saying? Which ones are handed out in a leftist college?
      - muddi900 19d ago
        Conservapedia is not a history book.
  - beedeebeedee 26d ago
    > The war on drugs definitely didn't cause the drug trade or the murders. Have to stop you right there. The “war on drugs” absolutely has created the conditions for the drug trade and the murders. If you criminalize a large part of the economy, then only criminals will profit from it. If we had sane drug policy, there would not be the profit that attracts these criminals. Additionally, the US intelligence services (and other nations) have a long documented role in cultivating the drug trade for diverse reasons: for profit and paying for operations, for control of regions, and to provide a reservoir of violence to disguise or facilitate their work.