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Shame you are down voted for this because you have an important point, our human contradiction. If government lets something bad happen because of privacy issu
by alan_cx 14y ago
Shame you are down voted for this because you have an important point, our human contradiction.
If government lets something bad happen because of privacy issues, we the people complain, and can vote them out. If the government pull out all the stops, including trampling all over privacy, then we don't like that either, and can vote them out. So what is a government supposed to do?
The next problem is that we the people say its fine for our governments to abuse the rights of "them". We don't mean "us". But government has to get that distinction right, and to do so, as best as they can, they have to cut through privacy and decency. That's fine for "them", but not "us". If its some Arab in gitmo, meh, whatever. If its some western god fearing christian, hmmm, that can produce a different response. If its me or my friend, we can get very upset about it.
In the end, people have to make a real grown up choice. We need to decide how far this goes, and accept the risk that goes with that. That risk works two ways. Risk of say a terror attack and risk of our own governments increasingly ruining our lives. And this is a cold numbers game. Think about it, are you or me more likely to be killed in something like 9/11 against perhaps daily government interference.
In many ways this is our fault. We expect too much and are not prepared to accept the risk or responsibility. Personally, I'd rather have my privacy and freedom, with a higher risk of being killed in a terror attack. I'd rather those who oppose those freedoms didn't win by making our society more like their ideal. If an attack happened and my government proved that it did everything possible, but privacy protection for us all got in the way, I personally would accept that. Its the price of freedom.
Mind you, them and us again. Of course Im calculating that the chances are I personally wont be involved in a terror attack, and the victims will just be another "them"......
Contradictions............
- mikevm 14y agoAre you so naive as to think that the real terrorists will be communicating in the open? "Real" terrorists will use Tor, TrueCrypt, PGP, Steganography and any other tool in the toolkit to hide their tracks. I don't see how a gov't surveillance apparatus is going to catch any of them. IIRC, in 9/11 the problem wasn't that there wasn't enough surveillance, because information regarding the attacks DID reach the White House, but it was apparently ignored.
- RestlessMind 14y ago"Real terrorists" communicated in open using mobile phones, during 2008 terrorist attacks on Mumbai. These conversations were tapped by Indian government and were used in further investigations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks#cite_note-DossierNYT-101 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks#cite_note-D...