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That's not a controlled study, plus the effect claimed is much weaker than what I was addressing. I can believe that placebo provides some pain relief--I was ad
by psykotic 14y ago
That's not a controlled study, plus the effect claimed is much weaker than what I was addressing. I can believe that placebo provides some pain relief--I was addressing the claim that they provided identical levels of relief. All the studies I could find on PubMed comparing morphine to placebo for treating various kinds of pain have morphine as the undisputed winner.
- seiji 14y agoIt's not morphine or salt water. It's morphine->morphine->morphine->morphine->salt water. Pharmaceutical studies of only using drug or not-drug have different characteristics.
- psykotic 14y agoI got that from your original post. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find any studies with that experimental setup, hence my earlier question to you.
- lutusp 14y ago> I can believe that placebo provides some pain relief--I was addressing the claim that they provided identical levels of relief. I doubt that any serious researcher will make that claim. Such studies are, after all, based on self-reporting, notoriously unreliable and difficult to accurately quantify. This is not to say that psychologists won't make claims like that. But psychological science is only peripherally related to the other kind of science -- the real kind.
- 31reasons 14y ago>That's not a controlled study Just wondering, how could you get rid of the placebo effect in the placebo experiment?
- psykotic 14y agoFair point. I was using "controlled" as a shorthand for the usual qualities (double blind, randomized, sufficiently many test subjects, etc) you'd associate with good experimental design.
- lutusp 14y ago> ... how could you get rid of the placebo effect in the placebo experiment? That's easy -- give one group a real placebo, give the other an imitation.