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If your friends are not making unprompted bigoted statements, all it means is that they are tactful. I hope you can understand that bigotry is more subtle, in c

If your friends are not making unprompted bigoted statements, all it means is that they are tactful. I hope you can understand that bigotry is more subtle, in comparison with your grandparents' generation when it was more socially acceptable. Please read up on "implicit bias."

TimTheTinker 27d ago
Do you know the definition of the word "prejudice"? It means "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience." You say you think a lot of my acquaintances are racist, without even knowing who I am, let alone who they are, let alone what they act like or say. That's pretty extreme prejudice. Don't judge people before you've at least learned who they are.
- hackyhacky 27d ago
  > You say you think a lot of my acquaintances are racist, without even knowing who I am, l Nothing personal. The fact is that a lot of people are racist: that's the basis of "implicit bias" which I gather you did not bother to read about, despite my encouragement. Given that, it's statistically likely that everyone knows a racist. I know plenty of racists, and I wish I didn't. I'm not judging people, I'm just playing the odds. Before continuing this conversation, please complete the required reading: https://www.nationalequityproject.org/articles/dont-talk-about-implicit-bias-without-talking-about-structural-racism https://www.nationalequityproject.org/articles/dont-talk-abo...
  - TimTheTinker 27d ago
    I reject the notion of "structural racism". That's not about civil rights, it's critical theory masquerading. It's a destructive ideology. It teaches us to suspect everyone around us, which promotes division and hatred, not love and unity. Racism is an individual sin that arises from the heart, and it can be repented of and turned away from like any other sin.
    - defrost 27d ago
      > I reject the notion of "structural racism". As I understand it, structural racism is less of a notion and more of a series of facts; eg: post WWII white servicemen largely got easy bank loans and a greased entry into generational family owned housing, black servicemen didn't, real estate agents and HOAs redlined (?) rental and purchase applications to separate out black American families, infrastructure tended to destroy and break up black communities over white communities, etc. Are these past events that you reject?
      - TimTheTinker 27d ago
        Those happened and they were evil. I'm not arguing with that.
        defrost 27d ago
        Fair enough then, you don't reject past structural racism existing as a fact, and likely acknowledge that has cast a shadow that continues into today's US society. You might want to be clear to the other commentator (I'm just a drive by) what the "notion" is that you reject.
    - hackyhacky 27d ago
      > I reject the notion of "structural racism". That's not about civil rights, it's critical theory masquerading. It's a destructive ideology. It's clear that you didn't read past the headline of the article that I linked, since the article makes it clear that structural racism is not the same as implicit bias. You are welcome to disagree with the extent that structural racism is present in American society today, but it makes no sense to dismiss the idea of structural racism. Slavery, as practiced in the US before the civil war, is a clear example of structural racism. Or do you think that race did not play a part in slavery? > It teaches us to suspect everyone around us, which promotes division and hatred, not love and unity. Perhaps, but that's an argument from outcomes, not from principles. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
      - 27d ago

TimTheTinker 27d ago

Do you know the definition of the word "prejudice"? It means "preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience." You say you think a lot of my acquaintances are racist, without even knowing who I am, let alone who they are, let alone what they act like or say. That's pretty extreme prejudice. Don't judge people before you've at least learned who they are.

hackyhacky 27d ago
> You say you think a lot of my acquaintances are racist, without even knowing who I am, l Nothing personal. The fact is that a lot of people are racist: that's the basis of "implicit bias" which I gather you did not bother to read about, despite my encouragement. Given that, it's statistically likely that everyone knows a racist. I know plenty of racists, and I wish I didn't. I'm not judging people, I'm just playing the odds. Before continuing this conversation, please complete the required reading: https://www.nationalequityproject.org/articles/dont-talk-about-implicit-bias-without-talking-about-structural-racism https://www.nationalequityproject.org/articles/dont-talk-abo...
- TimTheTinker 27d ago
  I reject the notion of "structural racism". That's not about civil rights, it's critical theory masquerading. It's a destructive ideology. It teaches us to suspect everyone around us, which promotes division and hatred, not love and unity. Racism is an individual sin that arises from the heart, and it can be repented of and turned away from like any other sin.
  - defrost 27d ago
    > I reject the notion of "structural racism". As I understand it, structural racism is less of a notion and more of a series of facts; eg: post WWII white servicemen largely got easy bank loans and a greased entry into generational family owned housing, black servicemen didn't, real estate agents and HOAs redlined (?) rental and purchase applications to separate out black American families, infrastructure tended to destroy and break up black communities over white communities, etc. Are these past events that you reject?
    - TimTheTinker 27d ago
      Those happened and they were evil. I'm not arguing with that.
      - defrost 27d ago
        Fair enough then, you don't reject past structural racism existing as a fact, and likely acknowledge that has cast a shadow that continues into today's US society. You might want to be clear to the other commentator (I'm just a drive by) what the "notion" is that you reject.
  - hackyhacky 27d ago
    > I reject the notion of "structural racism". That's not about civil rights, it's critical theory masquerading. It's a destructive ideology. It's clear that you didn't read past the headline of the article that I linked, since the article makes it clear that structural racism is not the same as implicit bias. You are welcome to disagree with the extent that structural racism is present in American society today, but it makes no sense to dismiss the idea of structural racism. Slavery, as practiced in the US before the civil war, is a clear example of structural racism. Or do you think that race did not play a part in slavery? > It teaches us to suspect everyone around us, which promotes division and hatred, not love and unity. Perhaps, but that's an argument from outcomes, not from principles. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
    - 27d ago