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> Then you are uniquely placed to show them you're not the baddie they thought you were. Great idea! If only we had thought of this sooner. We could have avoid

> Then you are uniquely placed to show them you're not the baddie they thought you were. Great idea! If only we had thought of this sooner. We could have avoided Jim Crow and segregation if only black people had thought to be friendly to racist whites! /s

user982 29d ago
Remember: the onus is always on you to prove that you're one of the "good ones" by coddling them.
TimTheTinker 29d ago
If you're in physical danger, then flee. I'm not talking about that. There's a bigger reality than your street - pay attention and be wise. But at the same time, it is true than many white kids had racist parents but chose not to be racist themselves, largely because they rubbed shoulders with black kids and learned they had a lot in common with them. Don't underestimate the power of patience, kindness, generosity, and general personability to win, eventually. It took a generation of integration before racism disappeared from most US neighborhoods.
- hackyhacky 29d ago
  > It took a generation of integration before racism disappeared from most US neighborhoods. I'm still waiting
  - TimTheTinker 29d ago
    Do you have racist neighbors? If so, I'm curious which county you live in. Two of my grandparents were racist, but I haven't talked personally with a racist in probably 25-30 years.
    - machomaster 29d ago
      > I haven't talked personally with a racist in probably 25-30 years. Let me guess, you mostly mingle with white people? It's a different story among Latinos, Asians (toward blacks and other Asians), but especially among African-Americans.
      - hackyhacky 28d ago
        > Let me guess, you mostly mingle with white people? It's a different story among Latinos, Asians (toward blacks and other Asians), but especially among African-Americans. Fascinating. I've found the perfect example of "white victimhood." Thank you for sharing your truth that "minorities are the real racists." What utter nonsense.
        machomaster 26d ago
        Oh, you must be one of those anti-White racists... > White Democrats showed the effect: they imposed a somewhat weaker norm against offensive statements targeting Whites than against statements targeting other racial groups. > So there is genuine evidence of something reasonably described as selective tolerance of anti-White prejudice among White Democrats. > The present study demonstrates that Whites (in comparison to other Americans) are also more likely to perceive a social norm governing anti-White prejudice. Interestingly, the strength of this norm follows a political ‘gradient’ and is most pronounced among White Republicans. > Within this context, an interesting question is whether this norm can be expected to spread outside the core of White Republicans? For instance, it is possible that racial minorities within the Republican party will come to adopt the same position as White Republicans on the social inappropriateness of anti-White prejudice (in much the same way that White Democrats have come to adopt norms around anti-minority prejudice). At the same time, the social norm appears strongly linked to the Republican party. And given current levels of affective polarization in American society, efforts at norm propagation will likely make little headway among Democrats of any race. These considerations therefore suggest that the norm against anti-White prejudice is likely to remain a ‘particularistic norm’ for some time to come.
    - hackyhacky 28d ago
      > I haven't talked personally with a racist in probably 25-30 years. How do you know that you haven't talked with a racist? Are you in the habit of asking new acquaintances if they are racist, and then believing their answer? Or do you just assume that all racists wear the same uniform?
      - TimTheTinker 28d ago
        Real racists in your orbit of regular acquaintances are pretty straightforward to pick out.
        hackyhacky 28d ago
        You did not answer my question. To be clear: if you think you haven't met a racist in decades, you're probably wrong. I call into question your ability to accurately diagnose racism.
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        TimTheTinker 28d ago
        A racist is known by their speech or actions. Like making prejudicial comments about people of one or more other races, or demonstrating through actions that they do not view other races as equals. If someone does neither, then they're not racist. The last people I heard do that were my grandparents - like "Did you hear? She married a black man." with raised eyebrows. You didn't answer my question - do you have racist neighbors?
        hackyhacky 28d ago
        If your friends are not making unprompted bigoted statements, all it means is that they are tactful. I hope you can understand that bigotry is more subtle, in comparison with your grandparents' generation when it was more socially acceptable. Please read up on "implicit bias."

user982 29d ago

Remember: the onus is always on you to prove that you're one of the "good ones" by coddling them.

TimTheTinker 29d ago

If you're in physical danger, then flee. I'm not talking about that. There's a bigger reality than your street - pay attention and be wise. But at the same time, it is true than many white kids had racist parents but chose not to be racist themselves, largely because they rubbed shoulders with black kids and learned they had a lot in common with them. Don't underestimate the power of patience, kindness, generosity, and general personability to win, eventually. It took a generation of integration before racism disappeared from most US neighborhoods.

hackyhacky 29d ago
> It took a generation of integration before racism disappeared from most US neighborhoods. I'm still waiting
- TimTheTinker 29d ago
  Do you have racist neighbors? If so, I'm curious which county you live in. Two of my grandparents were racist, but I haven't talked personally with a racist in probably 25-30 years.
  - machomaster 29d ago
    > I haven't talked personally with a racist in probably 25-30 years. Let me guess, you mostly mingle with white people? It's a different story among Latinos, Asians (toward blacks and other Asians), but especially among African-Americans.
    - hackyhacky 28d ago
      > Let me guess, you mostly mingle with white people? It's a different story among Latinos, Asians (toward blacks and other Asians), but especially among African-Americans. Fascinating. I've found the perfect example of "white victimhood." Thank you for sharing your truth that "minorities are the real racists." What utter nonsense.
      - machomaster 26d ago
        Oh, you must be one of those anti-White racists... > White Democrats showed the effect: they imposed a somewhat weaker norm against offensive statements targeting Whites than against statements targeting other racial groups. > So there is genuine evidence of something reasonably described as selective tolerance of anti-White prejudice among White Democrats. > The present study demonstrates that Whites (in comparison to other Americans) are also more likely to perceive a social norm governing anti-White prejudice. Interestingly, the strength of this norm follows a political ‘gradient’ and is most pronounced among White Republicans. > Within this context, an interesting question is whether this norm can be expected to spread outside the core of White Republicans? For instance, it is possible that racial minorities within the Republican party will come to adopt the same position as White Republicans on the social inappropriateness of anti-White prejudice (in much the same way that White Democrats have come to adopt norms around anti-minority prejudice). At the same time, the social norm appears strongly linked to the Republican party. And given current levels of affective polarization in American society, efforts at norm propagation will likely make little headway among Democrats of any race. These considerations therefore suggest that the norm against anti-White prejudice is likely to remain a ‘particularistic norm’ for some time to come.
  - hackyhacky 28d ago
    > I haven't talked personally with a racist in probably 25-30 years. How do you know that you haven't talked with a racist? Are you in the habit of asking new acquaintances if they are racist, and then believing their answer? Or do you just assume that all racists wear the same uniform?
    - TimTheTinker 28d ago
      Real racists in your orbit of regular acquaintances are pretty straightforward to pick out.
      - hackyhacky 28d ago
        You did not answer my question. To be clear: if you think you haven't met a racist in decades, you're probably wrong. I call into question your ability to accurately diagnose racism.
        deleted 28d ago
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        TimTheTinker 28d ago
        A racist is known by their speech or actions. Like making prejudicial comments about people of one or more other races, or demonstrating through actions that they do not view other races as equals. If someone does neither, then they're not racist. The last people I heard do that were my grandparents - like "Did you hear? She married a black man." with raised eyebrows. You didn't answer my question - do you have racist neighbors?
        hackyhacky 28d ago
        If your friends are not making unprompted bigoted statements, all it means is that they are tactful. I hope you can understand that bigotry is more subtle, in comparison with your grandparents' generation when it was more socially acceptable. Please read up on "implicit bias."