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Surely access to footage can be gated behind some sort of expedited digital court warrant? I always think of that scene in Minority Report where 3 judges are c

Surely access to footage can be gated behind some sort of expedited digital court warrant? I always think of that scene in Minority Report where 3 judges are conferenced in live when a “vision” arrived. Because if used properly and lawfully these cameras can be useful to keep people safe. Including from the cops.

jonahx 29d ago
In practice, the odds overwhelmingly favor abuse. And even if the "proper and lawful" version was somehow achieved, it would require constant maintenance, security, and expensive oversight that would also be at risk of degenerating back into abuse.
- wateralien 29d ago
  If abuse can’t be eliminated then it’s about what ratio of abuse to crime reduction is tolerable I guess. If we find 100 taken children while a dirty cop stalks his ex - is that tolerable? I’d say yes. If it became more abused I guess that’s when society needs to decide.
  - bastawhiz 29d ago
    Abuse can be eliminated. It's called requiring a warrant. What's tolerable doesn't matter: we don't need to litigate how willing we are to bend the fourth amendment.
sampullman 29d ago
Using minority report as an example of a good policing system is a bit unsettling.
bastawhiz 29d ago
You don't need a special speedy system. A regular warrant is just fine. A warrant in this case would never have been granted because there was no suspicion of wrongdoing. There's already processes for expedited search warrants outside of business hours, the problem is that warrants are simply never required to use these services.
hammock 29d ago
> Surely access to footage can be gated behind some sort of expedited digital court warrant? These are police-owned cameras filming public areas. A better solution would be to require court approval to buy and vote these cameras, or where they can be pointed.
NetMageSCW 28d ago
If you think judges who are unaccountable and regularly abuse their powers are a solution for oversight of surveillance, I have a bridge to sell you. (I don’t have a bridge.)

jonahx 29d ago

In practice, the odds overwhelmingly favor abuse. And even if the "proper and lawful" version was somehow achieved, it would require constant maintenance, security, and expensive oversight that would also be at risk of degenerating back into abuse.

wateralien 29d ago
If abuse can’t be eliminated then it’s about what ratio of abuse to crime reduction is tolerable I guess. If we find 100 taken children while a dirty cop stalks his ex - is that tolerable? I’d say yes. If it became more abused I guess that’s when society needs to decide.
- bastawhiz 29d ago
  Abuse can be eliminated. It's called requiring a warrant. What's tolerable doesn't matter: we don't need to litigate how willing we are to bend the fourth amendment.

sampullman 29d ago

Using minority report as an example of a good policing system is a bit unsettling.

bastawhiz 29d ago

You don't need a special speedy system. A regular warrant is just fine. A warrant in this case would never have been granted because there was no suspicion of wrongdoing. There's already processes for expedited search warrants outside of business hours, the problem is that warrants are simply never required to use these services.

hammock 29d ago

> Surely access to footage can be gated behind some sort of expedited digital court warrant? These are police-owned cameras filming public areas. A better solution would be to require court approval to buy and vote these cameras, or where they can be pointed.

NetMageSCW 28d ago

If you think judges who are unaccountable and regularly abuse their powers are a solution for oversight of surveillance, I have a bridge to sell you. (I don’t have a bridge.)