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Like any DRM this is easily defeated. I could run the app in a virtual machine and take the screenshot from the hypervisor or host machine instead. Or I can cap

Like any DRM this is easily defeated. I could run the app in a virtual machine and take the screenshot from the hypervisor or host machine instead. Or I can capture the network traffic. Or I can take a photo of my phone. And so on and so on.

dotmanish 14y ago
The "take a photo of my phone" is the one that non-geeks can easily remember to do. And they will.
- jlgreco 14y ago
  And I imagine on any phone with a face-facing camera (would that be "forward facing", or "rear facing"?) doing that with another application and a portable makeup mirror should be trivial. All you need is an application that takes a picture without altering what is on the screen when you press both volume buttons, or something. Maybe even just takes a picture once a second for the next 30 seconds? You could make an application explicitly for this purpose, and even build in the mirrored image logic. Only one person needs to do it, then every non-technical user can use it.
cmelbye 14y ago
Ugh, seriously? DRM? Come on, it's a fun app for friends to send embarrassing pictures of themselves to each other. Obviously there's an "analog hole", but this isn't for incredibly confidential photos.
- jlgreco 14y ago
  It is in the best interests of the prospective non-technical users for the ease of exploiting the analog hole to be well known and fully comprehended. Knowing that nerds can break it isn't enough, the users need to understand that their 14 year old peer with no technical skills can also break it, without breaking a sweat.
  - marvin 14y ago
    The point with these apps was to make sexting safer (I'm just going to say it straight out). Not completely safe. If you are sending pictures of your junk to another person, you are always exposed to the risk of getting backstabbed. Same goes if you put a person's junk in your mouth, or some similar behavior. A degree of trust is required in all relationships, but at least apps like these remove some of the incentive for abuse. And they make it impossible for someone to _inadvertently_ share your photos.
    - jlgreco 14y ago
      That is what I assumed the point was. If that is what people are using it for, that's fine, but I think that makes it incredibly important that they understand the technical solution to what is ultimately a social problem is imperfect. The technical imperfections are fine, so long as the users are fully informed and are not being mislead in any way. (And since sex drive is involved here, meaning there is a pretty strong incentive for laymen to go after the analog hole, it is especially important that people are made fully aware of the limitations.)

dotmanish 14y ago

The "take a photo of my phone" is the one that non-geeks can easily remember to do. And they will.

jlgreco 14y ago
And I imagine on any phone with a face-facing camera (would that be "forward facing", or "rear facing"?) doing that with another application and a portable makeup mirror should be trivial. All you need is an application that takes a picture without altering what is on the screen when you press both volume buttons, or something. Maybe even just takes a picture once a second for the next 30 seconds? You could make an application explicitly for this purpose, and even build in the mirrored image logic. Only one person needs to do it, then every non-technical user can use it.

cmelbye 14y ago

Ugh, seriously? DRM? Come on, it's a fun app for friends to send embarrassing pictures of themselves to each other. Obviously there's an "analog hole", but this isn't for incredibly confidential photos.

jlgreco 14y ago
It is in the best interests of the prospective non-technical users for the ease of exploiting the analog hole to be well known and fully comprehended. Knowing that nerds can break it isn't enough, the users need to understand that their 14 year old peer with no technical skills can also break it, without breaking a sweat.
- marvin 14y ago
  The point with these apps was to make sexting safer (I'm just going to say it straight out). Not completely safe. If you are sending pictures of your junk to another person, you are always exposed to the risk of getting backstabbed. Same goes if you put a person's junk in your mouth, or some similar behavior. A degree of trust is required in all relationships, but at least apps like these remove some of the incentive for abuse. And they make it impossible for someone to _inadvertently_ share your photos.
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    That is what I assumed the point was. If that is what people are using it for, that's fine, but I think that makes it incredibly important that they understand the technical solution to what is ultimately a social problem is imperfect. The technical imperfections are fine, so long as the users are fully informed and are not being mislead in any way. (And since sex drive is involved here, meaning there is a pretty strong incentive for laymen to go after the analog hole, it is especially important that people are made fully aware of the limitations.)