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People absolutely do like unpaid work, so much so that the phrase "do-it-yourself" appeared as a marketing term. I do all the unpaid labor I can. It builds comp

People absolutely do like unpaid work, so much so that the phrase "do-it-yourself" appeared as a marketing term. I do all the unpaid labor I can. It builds competence, lets you ensure quality, and is generally cheaper/more efficient (out of the formal economy = no taxes, which is immediately a huge drag). Wanting compensation for raising your kids is like wanting compensation for making yourself a nice dinner. The compensation is right in front of you.

wojciii 1mo ago
Some unpaid work might be character building yes, but what I'm talking about is not. Getting kids will give a guy high fives at work while a woman will be asked if she is going to get any more when looking for work. Also a guy salary will not be set back by 3-5 years of child bearing and it will also reflect badly on a woman's pension saving because exactly of this. While having children is rewarding is not an economical reward for all involved.
- ndriscoll 1mo ago
  Raising children is probably the epitome of character building, self-actualizing work. There are no external stakeholders to motivate you. No one's going to do it for you if you don't. You get out of it exactly what you decide to put in, and you're efforts go purely to something you care about. It is the most important project you can do, and you and your spouse are solely responsible for it. It's not supposed to be economically rewarding to have children. It's the reward that economics are meant to enable.
  - wojciii 1mo ago
    > It's not supposed to be economically rewarding to have children. It's the reward that economics are meant to enable. It's not fair that one sex had to pay while the other gets the rewards. This is the situation as I see it now.
    - ndriscoll 1mo ago
      I'm not sure who's even meant to be whom in your sentence, but it's approaching things from an entirely wrong angle. Like, my wife is a full-time mother. Economically, I bring in the income for everything, but we're married. Everything is shared. It's not I pay; it's we pay. And we both get the reward for the work we put into our family. No one is losing. We are all winning.

wojciii 1mo ago

Some unpaid work might be character building yes, but what I'm talking about is not. Getting kids will give a guy high fives at work while a woman will be asked if she is going to get any more when looking for work. Also a guy salary will not be set back by 3-5 years of child bearing and it will also reflect badly on a woman's pension saving because exactly of this. While having children is rewarding is not an economical reward for all involved.

ndriscoll 1mo ago
Raising children is probably the epitome of character building, self-actualizing work. There are no external stakeholders to motivate you. No one's going to do it for you if you don't. You get out of it exactly what you decide to put in, and you're efforts go purely to something you care about. It is the most important project you can do, and you and your spouse are solely responsible for it. It's not supposed to be economically rewarding to have children. It's the reward that economics are meant to enable.
- wojciii 1mo ago
  > It's not supposed to be economically rewarding to have children. It's the reward that economics are meant to enable. It's not fair that one sex had to pay while the other gets the rewards. This is the situation as I see it now.
  - ndriscoll 1mo ago
    I'm not sure who's even meant to be whom in your sentence, but it's approaching things from an entirely wrong angle. Like, my wife is a full-time mother. Economically, I bring in the income for everything, but we're married. Everything is shared. It's not I pay; it's we pay. And we both get the reward for the work we put into our family. No one is losing. We are all winning.