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what if your baseline was not so much training? i assume it works by improving recovery, if not someone will need to explain what it's supposed to do to make yo

what if your baseline was not so much training? i assume it works by improving recovery, if not someone will need to explain what it's supposed to do to make you stronger. so, given that, your anrcdote indicates you were overtraining before t, and t reduced your recover times so that you were no longer overtraining. but if you're working well within your ability to recover and you add t and change nothing else, how do you get stronger?

zemvpferreira 29d ago
Do teenagers need to work out to get stronger than when they were little children, or are their hormones making them grow regardless? This should be self-explanatory to a good degree.
- pasquinelli 25d ago
  kids also grow taller which doesn't happen when you take t, so i guess your thought experiment is pretty stupid, actually.
ethbr1 29d ago
You're arguing against something that's been known for decades: testosterone boosts lean muscle mass gain. It may have other negative effects, but it does influence muscle mass. Read the literature, e.g. Bhasin 1996 (and other follow-up studies that reproduced the effects) https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101
- pasquinelli 25d ago
  > You're arguing against something that's been known for decades oh, no i'm not. *you're* telling me what i'm saying because you don't have the attention span to read, but have unlimited patience for hearing yourself talk.
  - ethbr1 24d ago
    Did you read the study? > i assume it works by improving recovery, if not someone will need to explain what it's supposed to do to make you stronger >> RESULTS Among the men in the no-exercise groups, those given testosterone had greater increases than those given placebo in muscle size in their arms (mean [±SE] change in triceps area, 424±104 vs. -81±109 mm2; P<0.05) and legs (change in quadriceps area, 607±123 vs. -131±111 mm2; P<0.05) and greater increases in strength in the bench-press (9±4 vs. -1±1 kg, P<0.05) and squatting exercises (16±4 vs. 3±1 kg, P<0.05).

zemvpferreira 29d ago

Do teenagers need to work out to get stronger than when they were little children, or are their hormones making them grow regardless? This should be self-explanatory to a good degree.

pasquinelli 25d ago
kids also grow taller which doesn't happen when you take t, so i guess your thought experiment is pretty stupid, actually.

ethbr1 29d ago

You're arguing against something that's been known for decades: testosterone boosts lean muscle mass gain. It may have other negative effects, but it does influence muscle mass. Read the literature, e.g. Bhasin 1996 (and other follow-up studies that reproduced the effects) https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101

pasquinelli 25d ago
> You're arguing against something that's been known for decades oh, no i'm not. *you're* telling me what i'm saying because you don't have the attention span to read, but have unlimited patience for hearing yourself talk.
- ethbr1 24d ago
  Did you read the study? > i assume it works by improving recovery, if not someone will need to explain what it's supposed to do to make you stronger >> RESULTS Among the men in the no-exercise groups, those given testosterone had greater increases than those given placebo in muscle size in their arms (mean [±SE] change in triceps area, 424±104 vs. -81±109 mm2; P<0.05) and legs (change in quadriceps area, 607±123 vs. -131±111 mm2; P<0.05) and greater increases in strength in the bench-press (9±4 vs. -1±1 kg, P<0.05) and squatting exercises (16±4 vs. 3±1 kg, P<0.05).