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Can you explain how women can both be allowed to have careers if they want while also not being "forced" into the workplace? It just sounds like you want women

by Jtarii 21d ago

Can you explain how women can both be allowed to have careers if they want while also not being "forced" into the workplace? It just sounds like you want women to face extreme societal pressure to be mothers, and the few women that break out and have careers are going to be ostracised. In modern, liberal, western society women are free to do whatever they want. If they want to get married at 25 and have 5 children there is nothing stopping them. If they want to go study neurobiology there is also nothing stopping them. The vast majority of women when given the choice, do not want to have 5 children at age 25. They want 1-3 children at age 32.

globular-toast 21d ago
> Can you explain how women can both be allowed to have careers if they want while also not being "forced" into the workplace? In the same way that people are at to listen to reggae without being forced to do it. The problem with work is cultural, though. We are struggling with the fact we don't really need to work much any more. Most of our essential needs are beyond covered: food, warmth, shelter. But we can't get out of the work mindset. Even our popular music is littered with references to work. Practically speaking, it's difficult for people to work less because they are wage slaves. You can work less, but then you'll earn less and won't be able to compete with dual earners for housing etc. It's a very difficult thing to reverse. > It just sounds like you want women to face extreme societal pressure to be mothers, and the few women that break out and have careers are going to be ostracised. Ridiculous. My partner is a woman and we're child free. I wish there were more child free women. I find them a lot more interesting than breeders. But it should be their choice. My point was that feminism has failed to create choice and instead caused a situation where women feel compelled to join the labour force, whether it's what they really want or not.

by Jtarii 21d ago

globular-toast 21d ago

> Can you explain how women can both be allowed to have careers if they want while also not being "forced" into the workplace? In the same way that people are at to listen to reggae without being forced to do it. The problem with work is cultural, though. We are struggling with the fact we don't really need to work much any more. Most of our essential needs are beyond covered: food, warmth, shelter. But we can't get out of the work mindset. Even our popular music is littered with references to work. Practically speaking, it's difficult for people to work less because they are wage slaves. You can work less, but then you'll earn less and won't be able to compete with dual earners for housing etc. It's a very difficult thing to reverse. > It just sounds like you want women to face extreme societal pressure to be mothers, and the few women that break out and have careers are going to be ostracised. Ridiculous. My partner is a woman and we're child free. I wish there were more child free women. I find them a lot more interesting than breeders. But it should be their choice. My point was that feminism has failed to create choice and instead caused a situation where women feel compelled to join the labour force, whether it's what they really want or not.