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Codeberg does not permit personal repos, it is strictly for open source project communities. Also, it is painfully slow if you are working in a repo of any size

Codeberg does not permit personal repos, it is strictly for open source project communities. Also, it is painfully slow if you are working in a repo of any size. Codefloe is professionally hosted on a robust platform - it could probably support about 10x the volume Codeberg has currently with good performance. I have not used the other options you mentioned but I've long admired what Framasoft is doing. I'm not sure where you'd get the idea that Codefloe is for people who don't want FOSS. There are hundreds of open source repos. There are also a lot of personal projects, and probably some commercial ones as well. What they don't want, is an ideology that restricts the types of projects hosted there. Its available for all software projects. Most of their user base are just using the service - and that is really the point. Similar to how most users on Lichess are there to play chess, not to talk about hosting chess servers. They are owned by a commercial entity, devXY but they are not profit seeking. They need donations to cover costs but are willing to give that time to build up. There are some regular donors[1], but they are not yet covering all costs [2]. They publish a report every quarter where you can see usage figures. https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/reports/2026-Q2/quarterly_report.md https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/repo... They also publish detailed cost analytics and donations: [2] https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/reports/costs/cost_summary.md https://codefloe.com/codefloe/analytics/src/branch/main/repo... [1] https://en.liberapay.com/codefloe/ https://en.liberapay.com/codefloe/

cxr 2mo ago
The amount of Codeberg FUD one can encounter on HN is unreal. I'm starting to question whether there's an organized effort behind it. Both personal and private repos are explicitly permitted in the Codeberg TOS: > Private repositories[…] allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or media storage.
- jasonvorhe 2mo ago
  As if there wasn't a massive amount of nuance between "you may keep your dotfiles private but don't upload your photo library". If their rules read this arbitrary, I wouldn't trust them to host any of my stuff, especially considering that you always have to hope they don't change their rules any further. Assume you did some local LLM stuff in June that worked with a 200MB set of various jpegs and you wanted to keep it private: Is this still legit in September 2026? I wouldn't rely on it.
  - embedding-shape 2mo ago
    > , I wouldn't trust them to host any of my stuff, especially considering that you always have to hope they don't change their rules any further. Yeah, I think this is a win-win for both parties. You strike me as someone who would "ride along the lines of the terms of service" basically, and you'll see anything not explicitly forbidden as being allowed essentially. While Codeberg is a project driven by humans, with human reactions to what's happening. If you're not comfortable with rules not being 100% defined, and requiring a humans value judgement to be had to figure out if the rule is broken or not, I don't think Codeberg is for you. The rest of us, who are OK with humans making decisions rather than just going by what's written in rules, are fine with this, because we know our private repositories won't be deleted. And if they are, you'll be able to speak with a human to explain, and if your intention is fine and good, they'll be OK with it. But if you try to argue about some "That wasn't explicitly stated", then yeah, they'll probably get tired of you quickly. Think your participating in your local user group vs some corporate/government forum, the rules will be enforced differently.
    - jeremyjh 2mo ago
      > "ride along the terms of service" By using AI to write code, like virtually everyone does? Tell me, what indication was there in their TOS, that this might be close to a line?
      - embedding-shape 2mo ago
        Do X in whatever way you want, if you do so knowing it's against the terms of service, you're "riding along the line of the terms of service" for sure if you try to explain away how it is/isn't explicitly forbidden.
        jeremyjh 2mo ago
        Using AI was not against any terms of service at all three months ago.
- jeremyjh 2mo ago
  > journal .. config file .. ideas or notes So, not code for personal projects? Right? A private git repo with my own code, is not permitted. More to the point of this thread - there is no specific affordance for a personal website.
  - cxr 2mo ago
    > So, not code for personal projects? Right? No, not right. Still wrong: "Use it for your personal notes, your side project or any other[sic] you want to keep private". (That's even ignoring that I was addressing the claim that you actually made, which is different from the one you're making now; you're moving the goalposts.)
    - jeremyjh 2mo ago
      That language is not in the terms of service. The word "side" does not appear on that page. The terms of service state: > Private repositories are only allowed for things required for FLOSS projects, like storing secrets, team-internal discussions or hiding projects from the public until they're ready for usage and/or contribution. They are also allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or media storage. The TOS Section 1: > Our service is open for all projects covered by a licence for free and open source software, free and open source hardware, or free cultural works as defined by § 2 (1) 1. So the "FUD" I am spreading is literally the headline of the legal terms of service. There is an organization behind the spread of this information, and it is Codeberg e.V.
      - cxr 2mo ago
        You have made two concrete claims about Codeberg that are verifiably untrue: "Codeberg does not permit personal repos" "A private git repo with my own code, is not permitted" Codeberg's policy explicitly permits personal repos, including private code repos. Both of your claims are false. There is no getting around this, no matter how much you try to move the goalposts or the other forms of conversational misdirection you're trying to pull off here.
selfhoster1312 2mo ago
Thanks for the explanation. It's more detailed than what's on the homepage. > it could probably support about 10x the volume Codeberg has currently with good performance I'm very curious about this statement since it seems to also be based on forgejo, and hosted by Hetzner. Maybe there's some forms of clever caching involved? That could explain why the monthly expenditures seem to be moving around so much, which is unusual. Do you have a link about it? > an ideology that restricts the types of projects hosted there That's precisely what people who don't want FLOSS say. I appreciate that some communities prevent others from restricting our freedoms; if that means restricting their capability to engage in harmful behavior (eg. non-free software, LLMs, scams, etc) that's a plus. But even codeberg is not that "strict". > They are owned by a commercial entity, devXY but they are not profit seeking. I will never trust a for-profit corporation to host my data, and even less so if it claims to not seek profit. If you don't seek profit, there is 0 reason to setup a for-profit company. And depending on your jurisdiction, it may actually be illegal for a for-profit to receive donations. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope to be wrong and over time codefloe becomes a flourishing community full of interesting projects and people.
- PeterStuer 2mo ago
  Forgejo user, but I do not trust Codeberg after their last "vote".
- jeremyjh 2mo ago
  > Maybe there's some forms of clever caching involved? That could explain why the monthly expenditures seem to be moving around so much, which is unusual. Do you have a link about it? Mostly it is just better/newer hardware for the database servers - both CPU & NVME storage. But also more hosts, that are not sharing system resources, and have sub-ms latency between each other. Yes, costs change as hardware is added. But this leads to another advantage which is hard to understate: It is very easy for Codefloe to adapt its hosting architecture because everything is managed with infrastructure as code. So as bottlenecks are found, improvements are benchmarked, change can be deployed safely and reliably. Codeberg is much riskier to change at this point. Some of this is public here[1] - but I don't really expect it to convince you. What should convince you, is simply using Codeberg. It feels like being on dial-up. [1] https://pat-s.me/codefloe-launch/#takeaways-from-my-time-with-codeberg https://pat-s.me/codefloe-launch/#takeaways-from-my-time-wit...
aand16 2mo ago
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cxr 2mo ago

The amount of Codeberg FUD one can encounter on HN is unreal. I'm starting to question whether there's an organized effort behind it. Both personal and private repos are explicitly permitted in the Codeberg TOS: > Private repositories[…] allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or media storage.

jasonvorhe 2mo ago
As if there wasn't a massive amount of nuance between "you may keep your dotfiles private but don't upload your photo library". If their rules read this arbitrary, I wouldn't trust them to host any of my stuff, especially considering that you always have to hope they don't change their rules any further. Assume you did some local LLM stuff in June that worked with a 200MB set of various jpegs and you wanted to keep it private: Is this still legit in September 2026? I wouldn't rely on it.
- embedding-shape 2mo ago
  > , I wouldn't trust them to host any of my stuff, especially considering that you always have to hope they don't change their rules any further. Yeah, I think this is a win-win for both parties. You strike me as someone who would "ride along the lines of the terms of service" basically, and you'll see anything not explicitly forbidden as being allowed essentially. While Codeberg is a project driven by humans, with human reactions to what's happening. If you're not comfortable with rules not being 100% defined, and requiring a humans value judgement to be had to figure out if the rule is broken or not, I don't think Codeberg is for you. The rest of us, who are OK with humans making decisions rather than just going by what's written in rules, are fine with this, because we know our private repositories won't be deleted. And if they are, you'll be able to speak with a human to explain, and if your intention is fine and good, they'll be OK with it. But if you try to argue about some "That wasn't explicitly stated", then yeah, they'll probably get tired of you quickly. Think your participating in your local user group vs some corporate/government forum, the rules will be enforced differently.
  - jeremyjh 2mo ago
    > "ride along the terms of service" By using AI to write code, like virtually everyone does? Tell me, what indication was there in their TOS, that this might be close to a line?
    - embedding-shape 2mo ago
      Do X in whatever way you want, if you do so knowing it's against the terms of service, you're "riding along the line of the terms of service" for sure if you try to explain away how it is/isn't explicitly forbidden.
      - jeremyjh 2mo ago
        Using AI was not against any terms of service at all three months ago.
jeremyjh 2mo ago
> journal .. config file .. ideas or notes So, not code for personal projects? Right? A private git repo with my own code, is not permitted. More to the point of this thread - there is no specific affordance for a personal website.
- cxr 2mo ago
  > So, not code for personal projects? Right? No, not right. Still wrong: "Use it for your personal notes, your side project or any other[sic] you want to keep private". (That's even ignoring that I was addressing the claim that you actually made, which is different from the one you're making now; you're moving the goalposts.)
  - jeremyjh 2mo ago
    That language is not in the terms of service. The word "side" does not appear on that page. The terms of service state: > Private repositories are only allowed for things required for FLOSS projects, like storing secrets, team-internal discussions or hiding projects from the public until they're ready for usage and/or contribution. They are also allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or media storage. The TOS Section 1: > Our service is open for all projects covered by a licence for free and open source software, free and open source hardware, or free cultural works as defined by § 2 (1) 1. So the "FUD" I am spreading is literally the headline of the legal terms of service. There is an organization behind the spread of this information, and it is Codeberg e.V.
    - cxr 2mo ago
      You have made two concrete claims about Codeberg that are verifiably untrue: "Codeberg does not permit personal repos" "A private git repo with my own code, is not permitted" Codeberg's policy explicitly permits personal repos, including private code repos. Both of your claims are false. There is no getting around this, no matter how much you try to move the goalposts or the other forms of conversational misdirection you're trying to pull off here.

selfhoster1312 2mo ago

Thanks for the explanation. It's more detailed than what's on the homepage. > it could probably support about 10x the volume Codeberg has currently with good performance I'm very curious about this statement since it seems to also be based on forgejo, and hosted by Hetzner. Maybe there's some forms of clever caching involved? That could explain why the monthly expenditures seem to be moving around so much, which is unusual. Do you have a link about it? > an ideology that restricts the types of projects hosted there That's precisely what people who don't want FLOSS say. I appreciate that some communities prevent others from restricting our freedoms; if that means restricting their capability to engage in harmful behavior (eg. non-free software, LLMs, scams, etc) that's a plus. But even codeberg is not that "strict". > They are owned by a commercial entity, devXY but they are not profit seeking. I will never trust a for-profit corporation to host my data, and even less so if it claims to not seek profit. If you don't seek profit, there is 0 reason to setup a for-profit company. And depending on your jurisdiction, it may actually be illegal for a for-profit to receive donations. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope to be wrong and over time codefloe becomes a flourishing community full of interesting projects and people.

PeterStuer 2mo ago
Forgejo user, but I do not trust Codeberg after their last "vote".
jeremyjh 2mo ago
> Maybe there's some forms of clever caching involved? That could explain why the monthly expenditures seem to be moving around so much, which is unusual. Do you have a link about it? Mostly it is just better/newer hardware for the database servers - both CPU & NVME storage. But also more hosts, that are not sharing system resources, and have sub-ms latency between each other. Yes, costs change as hardware is added. But this leads to another advantage which is hard to understate: It is very easy for Codefloe to adapt its hosting architecture because everything is managed with infrastructure as code. So as bottlenecks are found, improvements are benchmarked, change can be deployed safely and reliably. Codeberg is much riskier to change at this point. Some of this is public here[1] - but I don't really expect it to convince you. What should convince you, is simply using Codeberg. It feels like being on dial-up. [1] https://pat-s.me/codefloe-launch/#takeaways-from-my-time-with-codeberg https://pat-s.me/codefloe-launch/#takeaways-from-my-time-wit...

aand16 2mo ago

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