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There has always been a gender war, throughout the entirety of human existence. You just don't like that women have won a few battles recently.

by Jtarii 1mo ago

dissent 1mo ago
You're right that it's always been there, but wrong that you think it can be won. Every woman's gain is her son's loss, and every father's gain is his daughter's loss. It's an iterative game with a long term aggregate outcome for the society in question. You're framing it from the perspective of individuals. Women cannot win without men also winning and vice versa.
- Jtarii 1mo ago
  >Every woman's gain is her son's loss I don't even understand this at all. If you believe gender equality is an intrinsic good then any women's gain up to gender equality would be a gain for anyone who has that principle regardless of their gender. Do you think that black emancipation from slavery was "white's loss". It's just such a nonsensical position to hold.
  - anal_reactor 1mo ago
    > If you believe gender equality is an intrinsic good First, I believe that women have privileged position compared to men. So tipping the scales in favor of women removes gender equality. Second, comparison with black emancipation makes no sense. For evolutionarily foreseeable future, as long as humanity exists, so will men and women, and they need to get along with each other. Meanwhile you could imagine a perfectly functional world without emancipated black slaves.
    - Jtarii 1mo ago
      We have very different definitions of what functional means.
  - dissent 1mo ago
    Not at all. What I mean is each sex has a vested interest in the well being of the other, since both of them have a vested interest in the well being in their children of either sex. If my wife gains from affirmative action while her 5 sons lose, it's a net loss to my wife. By the same token, emancipation of women is good for the man with 5 daughters. The race comparison doesn't hold in quite the same way, because there isn't automatically a heredity line. One group can just exploit the other indefinitely.
JackSlateur 1mo ago
"You just don't like that women have won a few battles recently." Everyone can burn the house. Not sure how this count as "winning a battle". ("women" are not the only people doing that, seems to be the new game in town..)

There has always been a gender war, throughout the entirety of human existence. You just don't like that women have won a few battles recently.

by Jtarii 1mo ago

There has always been a gender war, throughout the entirety of human existence. You just don't like that women have won a few battles recently.

dissent 1mo ago

You're right that it's always been there, but wrong that you think it can be won. Every woman's gain is her son's loss, and every father's gain is his daughter's loss. It's an iterative game with a long term aggregate outcome for the society in question. You're framing it from the perspective of individuals. Women cannot win without men also winning and vice versa.

Jtarii 1mo ago
>Every woman's gain is her son's loss I don't even understand this at all. If you believe gender equality is an intrinsic good then any women's gain up to gender equality would be a gain for anyone who has that principle regardless of their gender. Do you think that black emancipation from slavery was "white's loss". It's just such a nonsensical position to hold.
- anal_reactor 1mo ago
  > If you believe gender equality is an intrinsic good First, I believe that women have privileged position compared to men. So tipping the scales in favor of women removes gender equality. Second, comparison with black emancipation makes no sense. For evolutionarily foreseeable future, as long as humanity exists, so will men and women, and they need to get along with each other. Meanwhile you could imagine a perfectly functional world without emancipated black slaves.
  - Jtarii 1mo ago
    We have very different definitions of what functional means.
- dissent 1mo ago
  Not at all. What I mean is each sex has a vested interest in the well being of the other, since both of them have a vested interest in the well being in their children of either sex. If my wife gains from affirmative action while her 5 sons lose, it's a net loss to my wife. By the same token, emancipation of women is good for the man with 5 daughters. The race comparison doesn't hold in quite the same way, because there isn't automatically a heredity line. One group can just exploit the other indefinitely.

JackSlateur 1mo ago

"You just don't like that women have won a few battles recently." Everyone can burn the house. Not sure how this count as "winning a battle". ("women" are not the only people doing that, seems to be the new game in town..)