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> An "independent" in America is a person who greatly desires everything Trump is doing but realizes that makes them a bad person and therefore refuses to admit

> An "independent" in America is a person who greatly desires everything Trump is doing but realizes that makes them a bad person and therefore refuses to admit it. There's some truth to what you're saying, particularly a few years ago... but a rapidly increasing number of "independents" in America are strongly left leaning but feel that the Democratic party has abandoned them. And they'll continue to vote Democrat, if they vote at all, for the purposes of harm reduction, but have renounced their official party affiliation.

Arodex 1mo ago
>but a rapidly increasing number of "independents" in America are strongly left leaning but feel that the Democratic party has abandoned them. Then they are listening to the Right. Biden did what he could to help unions and eliminate student debt. The truth is those "left" leaning want socialism, but only for them, and not brown people. Socialism but only for their in-group. (That's also what you see with recent immigrants voting for Trump against even more recent immigrants. "Leopards eating faces party won't eat my face, etc.)
- swed420 1mo ago
  > Biden did what he could to help unions and eliminate student debt. LMAO, etc
  - the_gastropod 29d ago
    Behold! A both-sides guy who’s completely unaware of actual real world events! Student loan forgiveness: blocked by the Supreme Court along partisan lines: Biden v. Nebraska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden_v._Nebraska https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden_v._Nebraska) Union support is so absurdly widespread, I don’t even know what to reference. E.g., on his 3rd day in office, Biden signed an executive order to empower government employees to join unions. This resulted in about a 20% increase in unionized federal employees. He was also the first sitting president to ever attend a picket line on the side of the workers. His Department of Labor and NLRB appointees were longtime unionized labor advocates, who through regulations lowered barriers to joining unions and hammered anti-union behaviors by companies like Starbucks.
    - swed420 29d ago
      Student loan forgiveness is DOA since it fails to target the root problem: inflated tuition prices. As for unions, ask the average union member what they thought of Biden's presidency. Clearly you weren't paying attention when these issues were making headlines and Biden was looking like the POS that he is in that regard. It's all fluff, and you were swooped up by it. Get a grip or don't be surprised when your party keeps losing to a gameshow host.
      - the_gastropod 29d ago
        Your response is all fluff. Yes. Raising union membership is not fluff. Actually forgiving student loans of 800k Americans, after the Supreme Court partisanly blocked your efforts to forgive them for 5M is not fluff either. Lots of union members, like you, lack the ability to tell shit from Shinola. That’s a huge problem, and one I have no clue how to solve. Con men are, sadly, effective despite being, y’know, con men. You seem to be a perfect encapsulation of the "both-sides" mindset. Blissfully unaware of what's happening around you. But that has 0 impact on your confidence in being right that nothing matters, both sides are the same. The vibes are negative no matter who's president, so everyone should just stop caring about what is or isn't "better". If it's still imperfect, it sucks, bro! Hear that guy over there complaining? Checkmate, libtard!
        swed420 29d ago
        > both sides Your type has only one line, don't you? Tell you what, the next time somebody like Bernie Sanders comes along, don't stab him in the back a thousand times. Then you might actually have a chance at beating that gameshow host one day!
        the_gastropod 29d ago
        What party did Bernie Sanders run for president under, again? - A Bernie voter (just popped open your comment history to see your other latest comment complaining about vegans, identity politics, doing the "not all men!", "not all white people" thing... You are a parody of a parody of a clown. I'm beyond finished here.)

Arodex 1mo ago

>but a rapidly increasing number of "independents" in America are strongly left leaning but feel that the Democratic party has abandoned them. Then they are listening to the Right. Biden did what he could to help unions and eliminate student debt. The truth is those "left" leaning want socialism, but only for them, and not brown people. Socialism but only for their in-group. (That's also what you see with recent immigrants voting for Trump against even more recent immigrants. "Leopards eating faces party won't eat my face, etc.)

swed420 1mo ago
> Biden did what he could to help unions and eliminate student debt. LMAO, etc
- the_gastropod 29d ago
  Behold! A both-sides guy who’s completely unaware of actual real world events! Student loan forgiveness: blocked by the Supreme Court along partisan lines: Biden v. Nebraska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden_v._Nebraska https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden_v._Nebraska) Union support is so absurdly widespread, I don’t even know what to reference. E.g., on his 3rd day in office, Biden signed an executive order to empower government employees to join unions. This resulted in about a 20% increase in unionized federal employees. He was also the first sitting president to ever attend a picket line on the side of the workers. His Department of Labor and NLRB appointees were longtime unionized labor advocates, who through regulations lowered barriers to joining unions and hammered anti-union behaviors by companies like Starbucks.
  - swed420 29d ago
    Student loan forgiveness is DOA since it fails to target the root problem: inflated tuition prices. As for unions, ask the average union member what they thought of Biden's presidency. Clearly you weren't paying attention when these issues were making headlines and Biden was looking like the POS that he is in that regard. It's all fluff, and you were swooped up by it. Get a grip or don't be surprised when your party keeps losing to a gameshow host.
    - the_gastropod 29d ago
      Your response is all fluff. Yes. Raising union membership is not fluff. Actually forgiving student loans of 800k Americans, after the Supreme Court partisanly blocked your efforts to forgive them for 5M is not fluff either. Lots of union members, like you, lack the ability to tell shit from Shinola. That’s a huge problem, and one I have no clue how to solve. Con men are, sadly, effective despite being, y’know, con men. You seem to be a perfect encapsulation of the "both-sides" mindset. Blissfully unaware of what's happening around you. But that has 0 impact on your confidence in being right that nothing matters, both sides are the same. The vibes are negative no matter who's president, so everyone should just stop caring about what is or isn't "better". If it's still imperfect, it sucks, bro! Hear that guy over there complaining? Checkmate, libtard!
      - swed420 29d ago
        > both sides Your type has only one line, don't you? Tell you what, the next time somebody like Bernie Sanders comes along, don't stab him in the back a thousand times. Then you might actually have a chance at beating that gameshow host one day!
        the_gastropod 29d ago
        What party did Bernie Sanders run for president under, again? - A Bernie voter (just popped open your comment history to see your other latest comment complaining about vegans, identity politics, doing the "not all men!", "not all white people" thing... You are a parody of a parody of a clown. I'm beyond finished here.)