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why keeping journals as an argument on the tech site that was always less formal with mandatory institutions but more open source. Journals discredited themselv

by elvin_d 29d ago

why keeping journals as an argument on the tech site that was always less formal with mandatory institutions but more open source. Journals discredited themselves multiple times. tech is expanding boundaries of scientific methods and AI will push it more.

tancop 29d ago
It's not about journals. If they want to be 100 trustworthy they should release end to end reproducible pipelines for the whole process with everything but the private datasets included, and all design decisions fully documented. And let third party labs audit to confirm that the holdout questions are equal difficulty and similar task types to the public ones.
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paimapi 29d ago
1) open access is a rising trend in journal publishing. arxiv exists because of it but this also means that a lot of papers get 'published' before they are peer-reviewed which is often when significant issues are caught 2) there are definitely problems with journals and publishing but, like many similar absurdly reductive pronouncements, the argument that the current mode of scientific inquiry is bunk is both wrong and lacks nuance the problem with modern publishing is that private equity is buying up publishers [0]. these publishers are then giving peer-reviewers no time and zero pay to do the necessary work of review [1] while also charging exorbitant rates for access. this is leading to worsening quality of the published research along with highly overburdened researchers who are stuck between shrinking funding [2] and their myriad other professional obligations to just say that 'journals' are bunk is ignorant in a harmfully anti-empirical way. the process of empirical research and review is the entire reason why we see realworld results. foundations comprised of bullshit crumble fast but for some reason or another our economic system is highly driven to enshittifying everything it touches to have defenders who claim AA is 'pushing the boundaries of the scientific method' sounds like the screeching refrain of anti-intellectual cargo cults, apeishly mimicking the features of rigor and methodology while avoiding any real accountability [0] https://issues.org/how-academic-science-gave-its-soul-to-the-publishing-industry/ https://issues.org/how-academic-science-gave-its-soul-to-the... [1] https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty/books-publishing/2026/05/14/will-paying-reviewers-ease-peer-review-crisis https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty/books-publishing... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00754-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00754-4
- elvin_d 29d ago
  Yes, journals are harmful to freedom of knowladge which might seem ignorant especially to people coming from academia and mainstream who doesn't know better and can't imagine anything else besided wallen gardens they grew up with. Arxiv is dominated by CS [1] and nothing really changed over the years [2]. Saying about pushing the boundaries of scientific methods it was another rock into journals and the status quo on how it's done like p-hacking and other data manipulations. Being in open with community notes would would have a difference. Empirical research can exist without journals, science can be for masses and journals are antithetical for sharing making the knowledge exclusive. [1] https://info.arxiv.org/about/reports/submission_category_by_year.html https://info.arxiv.org/about/reports/submission_category_by_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv?useskin=vector#/media/File:ArXiv's_yearly_submission_rate_plot.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv?useskin=vector#/media/Fi...

by elvin_d 29d ago

tancop 29d ago

It's not about journals. If they want to be 100 trustworthy they should release end to end reproducible pipelines for the whole process with everything but the private datasets included, and all design decisions fully documented. And let third party labs audit to confirm that the holdout questions are equal difficulty and similar task types to the public ones.

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paimapi 29d ago

1) open access is a rising trend in journal publishing. arxiv exists because of it but this also means that a lot of papers get 'published' before they are peer-reviewed which is often when significant issues are caught 2) there are definitely problems with journals and publishing but, like many similar absurdly reductive pronouncements, the argument that the current mode of scientific inquiry is bunk is both wrong and lacks nuance the problem with modern publishing is that private equity is buying up publishers [0]. these publishers are then giving peer-reviewers no time and zero pay to do the necessary work of review [1] while also charging exorbitant rates for access. this is leading to worsening quality of the published research along with highly overburdened researchers who are stuck between shrinking funding [2] and their myriad other professional obligations to just say that 'journals' are bunk is ignorant in a harmfully anti-empirical way. the process of empirical research and review is the entire reason why we see realworld results. foundations comprised of bullshit crumble fast but for some reason or another our economic system is highly driven to enshittifying everything it touches to have defenders who claim AA is 'pushing the boundaries of the scientific method' sounds like the screeching refrain of anti-intellectual cargo cults, apeishly mimicking the features of rigor and methodology while avoiding any real accountability [0] https://issues.org/how-academic-science-gave-its-soul-to-the-publishing-industry/ https://issues.org/how-academic-science-gave-its-soul-to-the... [1] https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty/books-publishing/2026/05/14/will-paying-reviewers-ease-peer-review-crisis https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty/books-publishing... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00754-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00754-4

elvin_d 29d ago
Yes, journals are harmful to freedom of knowladge which might seem ignorant especially to people coming from academia and mainstream who doesn't know better and can't imagine anything else besided wallen gardens they grew up with. Arxiv is dominated by CS [1] and nothing really changed over the years [2]. Saying about pushing the boundaries of scientific methods it was another rock into journals and the status quo on how it's done like p-hacking and other data manipulations. Being in open with community notes would would have a difference. Empirical research can exist without journals, science can be for masses and journals are antithetical for sharing making the knowledge exclusive. [1] https://info.arxiv.org/about/reports/submission_category_by_year.html https://info.arxiv.org/about/reports/submission_category_by_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv?useskin=vector#/media/File:ArXiv's_yearly_submission_rate_plot.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv?useskin=vector#/media/Fi...