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> you need to expect appropriate legals consequences for this sort of negligence I might have missed it, but did the agents do something illegal? Or do you thi
by subroutine 2mo ago
> you need to expect appropriate legals consequences for this sort of negligence
I might have missed it, but did the agents do something illegal? Or do you think that what the agents did should be considered illegal?
- sanderjd 2mo agoI dunno about this article, but it seemed to me that the now-famous huggingface attack very likely broke some laws...
- zmmmmm 2mo agowouldn't it be interesting if nVidia buying hugging face was part of hushing up the fallout there On the face of it, they would have very good cause for some action there, assuming they wanted to.
- mcmcmc 2mo agoThe HuggingFace attack was definitely illegal and should be prosecuted under CFA
- sailfast 2mo agoDo you think their new owners will want to engage in an extended legal battle with a large customer?
- singleshot_ 2mo agoDo you think the prosecuting attorney has a substantial likelihood of a conviction?
- lukewarm707 2mo agoif you could get a jury trial...
- singleshot_ 2mo agoDo the prosecutors where you live have a hard time getting jury trials?
- w4der 2mo agoI'm not sure about Nvidia themselves, but the ARM v. Qualcomm lawsuit was exactly that.
- conception 2mo agoThat's not how crime works.
- eikenberry 2mo agoIt’s not up to them. It is up to the DA.
- sailfast 2mo agoYou're telling me the DA would press charges without the actual harmed party wanting to press charges? I suppose it's possible but kinda hard without an actual plaintiff.
- metalliqaz 2mo agoPer the linked article, "A swarm of rogue OpenAI agents hijacked a German website this spring and transformed it into a bulletin board for other AI agents"
- john_strinlai 2mo agowhich law does editing a wiki break? i am not familiar with german law.
- boinkboink78912 2mo agoNah they also attempted to hack the wiki by finding security vulnerabilities, just did not succeed.
- shaky-carrousel 2mo ago§ 823 Abs. 1 BGB, the general tort provision. It runs on negligence, so intent doesn't matter, and turning someone's wiki into an agent message board with 15,000 unwanted edits is a straightforward Verkehrssicherungspflicht breach.
- OtherShrezzing 2mo agoGerman law for malicious computer use is fairly loosely defined, and massively favours the harmed party over the one causing harm. I don’t think it’d be a slam-dunk by any means, but a reasonably competent legal team should be able to establish a case around malicious data interference at the least. There’s certainly enough merit to the idea that OpenAI would be better off settling it as a civil matter early.
- gspr 2mo agoThis kind of incredulity in the AI era hilariously reminds me of the naivete of the late 90s. All of us edgy teenagers would be like "an MP3 is like just a long number, man! You can't own numbers!" Of course we were morons. In just the same way as the "oh they were just editing a wiki" defense is moronic. The law isn't code. Human intent matters. Also when the really big number is a copyrighted song. Also when AI agents are set in motion to edit wikis or break in to websites.
- Jeff_Brown 2mo agoThe HF hack was a felony.
- qingcharles 2mo agoIf they didn't conform to the T&Cs of the site (they almost certainly didn't), then they have violated the criminal law in some jurisdictions (e.g. Illinois criminalizes violations of T&Cs).