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Does the NSA even have the ability to monitor all AI traffic like this? Wouldn’t that require tons of data centers that there literally hasn’t been time to buil

Does the NSA even have the ability to monitor all AI traffic like this? Wouldn’t that require tons of data centers that there literally hasn’t been time to build yet? I really have no idea, maybe the asymmetry of the compute required to monitor is way lower than the compute required to serve inference?

esafak 22d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora
- ceejayoz 22d ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
chews 22d ago
it's fair to say they do and have for ages... it's not that hard to assume a well trusted TLS cert is under their control.
- strictnein 22d ago
  What does having a "well trusted TLS cert" enable for them in this case, exactly? Having a magical cert doesn't mean you can just intercept everything.
  - odo1242 22d ago
    On the contrary, it lets you MITM encrypted communications by swapping the website's original certificate for the "well trusted TLS cert"
    - strictnein 22d ago
      No, it doesn't. HSTS and other methods prevent this from happening.
      - kelnos 22d ago
        HSTS doesn't protect you from this at all. It only requires HTTPS, which a spoofed-but-trusted cert passes just fine. No mainstream browser (or any browser?) is doing cert pinning. What "other methods" are there that are deployed and actually in use?
        peanut-walrus 22d ago
        Transparency logs. It's mandatory for a cert to be in CT logs for browsers to trust it. Those are public, if this was happening, someone would have noticed already.
        chews 21d ago
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monax 22d ago
grep is pretty fast
bakies 22d ago
I dont think it requires a lot. I think of them as data hoarders more than anything else. It doesnt seem out of their capabilities to store a ton of chats. Maybe they're having scaling problems with the increased data rates they're hoarding and it led to an outage.
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usernomdeguerre 22d ago
"AI Traffic" is just traffic. If the infrastructure exists to monitor/buffer traffic (it does) then this can be monitored as well. Whether this hiccup was due to them hitting their limits briefly (or turning it on, or etc) who knows.
- utopiah 22d ago
  I bet it's even negligible traffic compared to e.g. Netflix or YouTube. Even a 'huge' context window is nothing compared to the random library of a basic Web page.
  - dboreham 22d ago
    Not once you de-dup.
esseph 22d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

esafak 22d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

ceejayoz 22d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

chews 22d ago

it's fair to say they do and have for ages... it's not that hard to assume a well trusted TLS cert is under their control.

strictnein 22d ago
What does having a "well trusted TLS cert" enable for them in this case, exactly? Having a magical cert doesn't mean you can just intercept everything.
- odo1242 22d ago
  On the contrary, it lets you MITM encrypted communications by swapping the website's original certificate for the "well trusted TLS cert"
  - strictnein 22d ago
    No, it doesn't. HSTS and other methods prevent this from happening.
    - kelnos 22d ago
      HSTS doesn't protect you from this at all. It only requires HTTPS, which a spoofed-but-trusted cert passes just fine. No mainstream browser (or any browser?) is doing cert pinning. What "other methods" are there that are deployed and actually in use?
      - peanut-walrus 22d ago
        Transparency logs. It's mandatory for a cert to be in CT logs for browsers to trust it. Those are public, if this was happening, someone would have noticed already.
        chews 21d ago
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monax 22d ago

grep is pretty fast

bakies 22d ago

I dont think it requires a lot. I think of them as data hoarders more than anything else. It doesnt seem out of their capabilities to store a ton of chats. Maybe they're having scaling problems with the increased data rates they're hoarding and it led to an outage.

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usernomdeguerre 22d ago

"AI Traffic" is just traffic. If the infrastructure exists to monitor/buffer traffic (it does) then this can be monitored as well. Whether this hiccup was due to them hitting their limits briefly (or turning it on, or etc) who knows.

utopiah 22d ago
I bet it's even negligible traffic compared to e.g. Netflix or YouTube. Even a 'huge' context window is nothing compared to the random library of a basic Web page.
- dboreham 22d ago
  Not once you de-dup.

esseph 22d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center