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>GrapheneOS is like a veteran and war zone expert: for them, not only the external environment is considered extremely hostile that you should leave your house

>GrapheneOS is like a veteran and war zone expert: for them, not only the external environment is considered extremely hostile that you should leave your house only wearing an armor and with bodyguards, but also the internal environment is hostile: your bodyguards could be bribed and work against you, that's why you need to somehow be protected against that as well. Yeah, iPhoens are made that way as well. It's just caring about the privacy of your users. > When GrapheneOS says "private" and "secure", they mean top-of-the-line security features, updates as soon as possible, all available mitigations against zero-days and insecure code which will limit the impact before the patch, etc. Security as in a killdozer. I think it's deceptive because people think they will get better privacy/security with a /e/ fairphone when it's actually much worse than an iPhone.

fsflover 1mo ago
> people think they will get better privacy/security with a /e/ fairphone when it's actually much worse than an iPhone Does /e/OS illegally collect users' data for ads and sends a lot of telemetry to their servers like Apple? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261
- teekert 1mo ago
  Privacy and security from what is the question. From big tech or from criminals and governments that take your device and plug it into cellebrite machines? I for one prefer to be protected from big tech. Sure GrapheneOS does both, but Apple does not.
- nvme0n1p1 1mo ago
  It's amazing how people still fall for the marketing. Apple is an ad company, just like Google. Advertising and data collection is baked into their OS, store, and core apps. They're just trailing behind revenue-wise by a few years. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidentifiermanager/advertisingidentifier https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidenti... https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digital-advertising-giant-revenue/ https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digit...
- grapheneos 1mo ago
  /e/ does have services collecting data on their users which isn't disclosed including user tracking via unique identifiers in the update client. They also spent years sending user speech data to OpenAI without informing users beyond fine print in the terms of use. It's presented as not using Google services but has a whole bunch of Google services with privileged access enabled by default. It even downloads and runs Google Play executables such as droidguard by default with privileged access far beyond the regular app sandbox.
  - gib444 1mo ago
    > /e/ does have services collecting data on their users which isn't disclosed including user tracking via unique identifiers in the update client. Source? And what else?
ValdikSS 1mo ago
iPhone is top-of-the-line as well, because they control the whole software and the whole hardware (starting from basically all the chips). That's very rare in the industry. There are just a bunch of companies which afford to do the same. Maybe Xiaomi will be the next one.
izacus 1mo ago
> I think it's deceptive because people think they will get better privacy/security with a /e/ fairphone when it's actually much worse than an iPhone. That's just blatantly not true though - even iPhones collect way more telemetry and Ad data than /e/ OSes.

fsflover 1mo ago

> people think they will get better privacy/security with a /e/ fairphone when it's actually much worse than an iPhone Does /e/OS illegally collect users' data for ads and sends a lot of telemetry to their servers like Apple? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

teekert 1mo ago
Privacy and security from what is the question. From big tech or from criminals and governments that take your device and plug it into cellebrite machines? I for one prefer to be protected from big tech. Sure GrapheneOS does both, but Apple does not.
nvme0n1p1 1mo ago
It's amazing how people still fall for the marketing. Apple is an ad company, just like Google. Advertising and data collection is baked into their OS, store, and core apps. They're just trailing behind revenue-wise by a few years. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidentifiermanager/advertisingidentifier https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidenti... https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digital-advertising-giant-revenue/ https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digit...
grapheneos 1mo ago
/e/ does have services collecting data on their users which isn't disclosed including user tracking via unique identifiers in the update client. They also spent years sending user speech data to OpenAI without informing users beyond fine print in the terms of use. It's presented as not using Google services but has a whole bunch of Google services with privileged access enabled by default. It even downloads and runs Google Play executables such as droidguard by default with privileged access far beyond the regular app sandbox.
- gib444 1mo ago
  > /e/ does have services collecting data on their users which isn't disclosed including user tracking via unique identifiers in the update client. Source? And what else?

ValdikSS 1mo ago

iPhone is top-of-the-line as well, because they control the whole software and the whole hardware (starting from basically all the chips). That's very rare in the industry. There are just a bunch of companies which afford to do the same. Maybe Xiaomi will be the next one.

izacus 1mo ago

> I think it's deceptive because people think they will get better privacy/security with a /e/ fairphone when it's actually much worse than an iPhone. That's just blatantly not true though - even iPhones collect way more telemetry and Ad data than /e/ OSes.