Not trying to gaslight you. Especially if you were hitting that issue with the stdlibs, as I said, I don't think we should have allowed a release to go out with

Not trying to gaslight you. Especially if you were hitting that issue with the stdlibs, as I said, I don't think we should have allowed a release to go out with that problem. It was treated as bug though and fixed (though it also took longer than hoped). The manifest thing is a good example of a hard situation. You have a file format that's not designed to be portable across versions, but the usage pattern around it heavily encourages that, so of course it gets used across versions and bad stuff happens. I'm sure theres also some other examples like this one can pull up. Of course there's cases where we should be doing better. I'm just also saying that this isn't the only experience out there, and the negative experience you're reporting isn't my experience. > It's really not early days. The language is about 15 years old. That excuse gets really tired. Please don't twist my words. I was responding to what you said about webdev, and I said there was some interesting things happening in that space, but still early days. I was explicitly referring to the webdev ecosystem being immature, not the language.