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To stick with your analogy, why should that allow you to throw out every tenant who shares the ethnicity of your troublesome neighbor?
by Timon3 22d ago
To stick with your analogy, why should that allow you to throw out every tenant who shares the ethnicity of your troublesome neighbor?
- backlava12 22d agoContinuing the analogy: the new landlord started evicting tenants who are dumping their trash and there are other tenants protesting against those evictions and are defending the trash dumpers and will call you a Nazi for not wanting trash dumped on you.
- Timon3 22d agoNope, you don't get to dismiss the detail that DHH wants to deport people regardless of whether they've committed crimes. Let's fix that in your analogy: "The new landlord started evicting tenants of the same ethnicity as those who are dumping their trash and there are other tenants protesting against those evictions and are defending the trash dumpers and will call you a Nazi for wanting the entire ethnic group to get evicted." Funny that you happened to miss that small detail!
- backlava12 22d agoVery weaselly comment. I didn't miss anything and I fully support DHH's position and even more his freedom to express that position.
- Timon3 22d agoWhy, because I pointed out that your "continued" analogy fundamentally misrepresents the situation? IMO it is much more weaselly to push your agenda through deliberately manipulative comments that mislead the reader into viewing entire ethnic groups as guilty of crimes against them. But what other choice do you have, given that the average person considers collective punishments of entire ethnic groups to be abhorrent?
- backlava12 22d agoMy analogy was scoped as far as I intended it to be and accusing me of misrepresenting the situation makes you a weasel. People in the US are literally protesting criminals, including sex offenders who raped children, from being deported out of the country. That is a fact.
- Timon3 22d agoI feel obligated to point out the weaselly nature of this comment: > People in the US are literally protesting criminals, including sex offenders who raped children, from being deported out of the country. That is a fact. People are protesting because of all the deliberately cruel and unjust punishments that the US government has been gleefully handing out to people who were/are proven innocent, up to sending innocent people to foreign prisons specifically chosen for high mortality rates and then claiming people sent there are irretrievable, all while the government literally keeps being caught fabricating evidence over and over. What makes this so weaselly is that under these conditions where many innocent are presented as criminals, it's literally not possible to protest for every innocent person while excluding every guilty person. Under an unjust and cruel government, the protesters you dislike include many people who truly believe in "innocent until proven guilty", or who simply consider "innocent people receiving unnecessarily cruel punishments" to be worse than "guilty people escaping unnecessarily cruel punishments".
- backlava12 22d agoI can tell the weasel comment really got under your skin, likely because you know deep down there is truth to it. There were numerous instances last year of protestors aiding and defending illegal immigrants from ICE that they specifically knew were convicted child rapists. "many innocent are presented as criminals" being illegally in the country is a crime. End of story. They were (and still are) giving people free tickets home and cash bonuses to leave the country on their own terms and self-deport. No country is obligated to host illegal immigrants.
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- dismalaf 22d agoIt's not an analogy, I literally have neighbours that do this. It's annoying. And I don't even necessarily want them gone, I just want them to stop throwing garbage on my balcony. But then people like you come up with dumb scenarios like this to excuse it.
- Timon3 22d agoDHH wants to deport entire groups REGARDLESS of whether they've done anything wrong. So either you shared this example while aware who you are defending, or you do not understand what your words imply. > But then people like you come up with dumb scenarios like this to excuse it. Yeah, it's really mean of me to point out that collective punishments for entire ethnic groups are wrong. What a dumb reaction to your excellent point!
- dismalaf 22d agoYou seem to be reading a lot of words that no one wrote, you just imagined. > DHH wants to deport entire groups REGARDLESS of whether they've done anything wrong. He literally doesn't. He just mentions removing the problem ones. > Yeah, it's really mean of me to point out that collective punishments for entire ethnic groups are wrong You're literally the only one who brought up collective punishment. I just want my (real) neighbours to stop throwing garbage on my balcony, especially when my 4 year old son is out there playing. I never even mentioned their ethnicity, you're assuming they're foreign. Why do you assume that?
- Timon3 22d agoNice try, but this one's too obvious :)