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This is a sacrifice we just have to be willing to make as a society if we want to project kids from the horror of using the internet
by saghm 1mo ago
This is a sacrifice we just have to be willing to make as a society if we want to project kids from the horror of using the internet
- LtWorf 1mo agoExcept this helps no child.
- Intermernet 1mo agoIsn't that the one that was left behind in 2002?
- saghm 1mo agoAfter a couple decades maybe it's time we do something for them!
- walrus01 1mo agoI think there's a number of people reading this who clearly didn't detect the satirical nature of this single sentence. It's blunt and obvious, but even so...
- saghm 1mo agoYeah, I thought it was obvious enough, but then again, I also seem to get a lot of disagreement every time I directly express the opinion that ID verification for internet use is a terrible idea, so I have no confidence which side the downvotes came from (maybe both!)
- cynicalsecurity 1mo agoThat was sarcasm.
- dgellow 1mo agoAre you sure? It’s really hard to differentiate nowadays
- tpoacher 1mo ago> Are you sure? It’s really hard to differentiate nowadays Case in point; I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not! :D
- soltanov 1mo agoI cant event tell if you are being sarcastic or not :)
- Tangurena2 1mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
- saghm 1mo agoI am the one who said it, and I am sure. You can go back through my comment history to find me getting into arguments many times against the idea of ID verification for internet use.
- brokenmachine 1mo agoAll the kids will be safe now they're logging into porn sites as Pete Hegseth.
- walrus01 1mo agoOnly after they've had their mandatory scrotum inspection and testosterone check to join the military at age 18.
- lifestyleguru 1mo agoYou guy don't have to show cock and balls to the military commission? It's a standard practice in post-Communist countries, including NATO ones.
- walrus01 1mo agoThere's a guy in the US military intake processing facility (MEPS) whose job is, among other things, to inspect your bunghole https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=MEPS+asshole+check https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=MEPS+assh... But more serious and non joking answer, the new thing from the "department of war" is testosterone level lab exams for existing servicemembers. https://news.google.com/search?q=US%20military%20testosterone&hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen https://news.google.com/search?q=US%20military%20testosteron...
- lifestyleguru 1mo agoso... for military grade identification systems instead of face photo with id document next to it, you make banghole photo with id document next to it?
- walrus01 1mo agoIt's all good and fine until a scan of your combined face ID / bunghole ID is for sale on a russian based internet crime forum. https://www.google.com/search?num=10&client=firefox-b-d&hs=YmEB&sca_esv=c8557b5bb6b82d6c&sxsrf=APpeQnv-MoD5tVytBLEwZMp2av_ekf9-CQ:1788524515473&q=id+scan+database+theft+rental+cars&tbm=nws&source=lnms&fbs=ABfTbFVyMZGZf1hfvX9uKjN_-G8c4u0nXx4bEIpwm1lnNH832QGGMdFXpDyzkQgEdtB8w9w-GD6PIjvNPpUnrx3WoOVIqtB7m0uJCnmO69VZCGvjkJswfxpqShzBmeU9vLtlIzpB5qp_I4BbqEr0GaxOvSmJ498B6z8aPqL8CC6d_D-OMiOA1rp8cpiApSc4bqzrEFRQ0aGBJCBOrMEv10CvQfXRc0n9Aw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwigxaqD9dSWAxUPx-YEHQfBB5gQ0pQJegQIHBAB&biw=1680&bih=941&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?num=10&client=firefox-b-d&hs=Y...
- vrganj 1mo agoThis is precisely why the authority doing these checks needs to be the government that already issues the IDs. Using ZKP as the EU proposes is the only way to prevent this data being leaked to unreliable third parties and leaves the knowledge with the institution it derives from in the first place. I don't know why HN rails against it constantly, it is the obvious technical and organizational solution to this issue.
- hunterpayne 1mo agoGovernment systems leak information all the time. The type of institution managing the data makes little difference. Its how the institution manages the data that matters.
- vrganj 1mo agoBut the government inherently has that data, as it comes from there. They're the ones issuing the IDs in the first place. Theres no avoiding this, structurally. So the best thing you can do is not to introduce any additional points of failure.
- pessimizer 1mo agoAll previous systems avoided this. The government issued me an ID in the past, yet had no record of when I used it, or for what. I am so much more afraid of monopolies invading my privacy than roving hackers, or my corner store. Governments are the ultimate monopoly.
- vrganj 1mo agoThe government doesn't know what you use your ID for in a properly implemented ZKP system, either. And clearly, the alternative is not the corner store. It's private monopolies building databases of 153M IDs.
- saghm 1mo agoI think the point is that if I have to use some system to tell the government "this is me", that's pretty much equivalent to the ID. It doesn't matter that they have the info already, it's that I now need to send them it in order to use the internet to like, file my taxes or send a message to my doctor or pay my electricity bill or any number of mundane things that aren't particularly worth the extra attack vector to try to protect against.
- OroPla 1mo agoI still don't understand why the simplest approach isn't used: ban kids from using the Internet unsupervised. There's really no good reason why a six year old should have internet access.
- padjo 1mo agoThe argument is that there are parents who are too stupid/lazy to enable parental controls on kids devices and society has a duty to protect kids even if their parents are negligent. Also, kids interact with other kids, so even if you do everything right your kids wind up with access/peer pressure through the kids with bad parents. I dunno if I agree but I think that's the thrust of it.
- OroPla 1mo agoThere are systems in place dealing with negligent parents. They could be better, but they exist. If kids were banned, there couldn't be that much peer pressure. Think about it, how many kids will get a gun just because some of the kids have access to guns through their negligent parents? If it's banned the path to getting it won't be straightforward.
- padjo 1mo agoWell I guess this begs the question how do you implement this ban without checking ids?
- OroPla 1mo agoYour ISP knows this already, doesn't it? Internet cafés can ask for ID. Sure, your parents can give you access, but your parents could also give you booze, porn and guns if they feel so inclined.
- m4ck_ 1mo agoI feel like if we can throw parents in jail for allowing their children to walk unsupervised, we can probably toss them in prison for giving them unrestricted access to the internet.
- Tangurena2 1mo agoThe politicians really want to know who to prosecute if someone on the internet says bad things (about them).