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When I was 18, my high school girlfriend took me to the local Mensa chapter’s New Year’s party because her mother was a member and she was used to hanging out t

by pavlov 1mo ago

When I was 18, my high school girlfriend took me to the local Mensa chapter’s New Year’s party because her mother was a member and she was used to hanging out there. It was a useful lesson that whatever IQ tests measure, it is completely devoid of value or interest to me.

sfblah 1mo ago
To be fair, Mensa is a Venn diagram between IQ and being a douche.
- deleted 1mo ago
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- shric 1mo ago
  I suspect my IQ isn’t quite high enough to join Mensa but I’ve always flirted with the idea of trying to join and getting in just to see what a group of Mensa people are like.
  - scotty79 1mo ago
    We are basically random. 2% of population by top IQ test result has pretty much very similar distribution in all aspects to 100% of the population. It's not a high bar to be fastest processing one among 50 people.
    - scotty79 1mo ago
      If you calculate this properly, a Mensa member has about a cointoss chance to be the "smartest" among random group of 35 people (not 50). Given that they are probably rarely in groups of purely random people, if you are Mensa member and you are in a group of dozen people (for example in professional setting) you'd probably have a 50/50 chance of not being the one with the highest IQ there.
      - sfblah 1mo ago
        IQ is not randomly distributed in heterogeneous populations. Do a little research, and you'll see what I mean.
        tptacek 29d ago
        I did a little research, it's not clear what you mean.
        scotty79 29d ago
        What should I research? IQ follows normal distribution across entire population. I guess if you'd built your heterogenous population out of mental patients and university professors together you'd get bimodal distribution, but such heterogenous populations don't spontaneously pop up in your life very often.
guelo 1mo ago
What does having value or interest to you have to do with intelligence?
- itishappy 1mo ago
  What does IQ have to do with intelligence? (Please forgive the flippant response. I believe it cuts to the core of what the parent was intending.)
  - red75prime 1mo ago
    Is it a serious question? IQ tries to quantify the positive correlation between the results of all intellectual tasks a person takes (AKA positive manifold).
    - adastra22 1mo ago
      Whatever the people who came up with IQ intended isn’t really relevant to the question of whether IQ measures intellect. At best is is loosely correlated. Very loosely.
      - scotty79 1mo ago
        IQ strongly correlates with many real world outcomes that people tend to associate with being more "intellectual". IQ has precise definition. It's what the tests measure. Intellect has only fuzzy handwavey definition. Correlation between IQ and intellect is about as loose as the definition of the intellect. The way people make the correlation even looser is by defining intellect in even more fuzzy and nebulous manner.
      - red75prime 1mo ago
        OK. Demonstrate it. BTW, you can easily read critiques of "The mismeasure of Man" if you want to.
    - itishappy 1mo ago
      It is, but it was also a rhetorical device! I wanted to highlight that we're actually looking at a trio of concepts: intelligence, IQ, and value. Strongly correlated concepts, yes, but also meaningfully distinct!
phainopepla2 1mo ago
At the risk of sounding like one of those people at Mensa that annoyed you... The people at Mensa aren't a valid sample of people who score high on IQ tests, because there is a such a strong selection effect for people with certain personality traits, such as wanting to join a club based on your IQ.
- jaggederest 1mo ago
  Or, to put it as Groucho Marx did: "Please accept my resignation, I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJHUres_2xU&t=228s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJHUres_2xU&t=228s
- scotty79 1mo ago
  By looking at interactions of people in Mensa I feel like 2% of top IQ is actually too low bar to notice anything particular about "high" IQ people. We are still pretty random in our interests and performance.

by pavlov 1mo ago

sfblah 1mo ago

To be fair, Mensa is a Venn diagram between IQ and being a douche.

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shric 1mo ago
I suspect my IQ isn’t quite high enough to join Mensa but I’ve always flirted with the idea of trying to join and getting in just to see what a group of Mensa people are like.
- scotty79 1mo ago
  We are basically random. 2% of population by top IQ test result has pretty much very similar distribution in all aspects to 100% of the population. It's not a high bar to be fastest processing one among 50 people.
  - scotty79 1mo ago
    If you calculate this properly, a Mensa member has about a cointoss chance to be the "smartest" among random group of 35 people (not 50). Given that they are probably rarely in groups of purely random people, if you are Mensa member and you are in a group of dozen people (for example in professional setting) you'd probably have a 50/50 chance of not being the one with the highest IQ there.
    - sfblah 1mo ago
      IQ is not randomly distributed in heterogeneous populations. Do a little research, and you'll see what I mean.
      - tptacek 29d ago
        I did a little research, it's not clear what you mean.
      - scotty79 29d ago
        What should I research? IQ follows normal distribution across entire population. I guess if you'd built your heterogenous population out of mental patients and university professors together you'd get bimodal distribution, but such heterogenous populations don't spontaneously pop up in your life very often.

guelo 1mo ago

What does having value or interest to you have to do with intelligence?

itishappy 1mo ago
What does IQ have to do with intelligence? (Please forgive the flippant response. I believe it cuts to the core of what the parent was intending.)
- red75prime 1mo ago
  Is it a serious question? IQ tries to quantify the positive correlation between the results of all intellectual tasks a person takes (AKA positive manifold).
  - adastra22 1mo ago
    Whatever the people who came up with IQ intended isn’t really relevant to the question of whether IQ measures intellect. At best is is loosely correlated. Very loosely.
    - scotty79 1mo ago
      IQ strongly correlates with many real world outcomes that people tend to associate with being more "intellectual". IQ has precise definition. It's what the tests measure. Intellect has only fuzzy handwavey definition. Correlation between IQ and intellect is about as loose as the definition of the intellect. The way people make the correlation even looser is by defining intellect in even more fuzzy and nebulous manner.
    - red75prime 1mo ago
      OK. Demonstrate it. BTW, you can easily read critiques of "The mismeasure of Man" if you want to.
  - itishappy 1mo ago
    It is, but it was also a rhetorical device! I wanted to highlight that we're actually looking at a trio of concepts: intelligence, IQ, and value. Strongly correlated concepts, yes, but also meaningfully distinct!

phainopepla2 1mo ago

At the risk of sounding like one of those people at Mensa that annoyed you... The people at Mensa aren't a valid sample of people who score high on IQ tests, because there is a such a strong selection effect for people with certain personality traits, such as wanting to join a club based on your IQ.

jaggederest 1mo ago
Or, to put it as Groucho Marx did: "Please accept my resignation, I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJHUres_2xU&t=228s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJHUres_2xU&t=228s
scotty79 1mo ago
By looking at interactions of people in Mensa I feel like 2% of top IQ is actually too low bar to notice anything particular about "high" IQ people. We are still pretty random in our interests and performance.