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Another thing that should be obvious and yet they refuse to do: when there is a single third-level customer for a given second-level, offer them a way to get th
by p4bl0 23d ago
Another thing that should be obvious and yet they refuse to do: when there is a single third-level customer for a given second-level, offer them a way to get the second level domain. I've been asking VeriSign this for 15+ years, they always said no, even if at some point they confirmed that there were no other third-level than mine under that second-level domain. They're insane and should not be in charge.
- jaggederest 22d ago> They're insane and should not be in charge. I remember back when we had to write mechanize scripts to drive a browser through the renewal process, because if you had dozens, hundreds, or thousands of domains there was no nonmanual way, especially if you wanted extended verification or something silly like that. So what I'm saying is, agreed and that has always been true.
- account42 22d agoThat actually sounds like a good thing. Why are you hording hundreds or thousands of domains?
- jaggederest 22d agoI was working for a company that had hundreds and thousands of domains. It was a fortune 50 company, and they had a policy generally against wildcard domains.
- lqstuart 22d agoI really wish I could be this stupid and have enough power to make such stupid policies
- jaggederest 22d agoI felt the same way at the time. Now, I believe we have better things to spend our collective time and energy on.
- SpaceNugget 22d agoWhat do you mean wildcard domain? Are you perhaps confusing domain renewals with dns entries?
- AznHisoka 22d agoNot OP, but I am guessing they have domains like fordcareers.com or fordsecurity.com instead of careers.fore.com or security.ford.com, etc
- jaggederest 22d agoExactly what they did in many instances.
- arcfour 22d agoThis really grinds my gears, way more than it should for some reason. Use the system as it was intended, people!
- jaggederest 22d agoFar from the most frustrating thing they did, trust me. I could tell you stories for days and never run out of more frustrating anecdotes.
- dpark 22d agoSometimes you don’t want everything hanging off the main domain, because if DNS gets horked everything goes down.
- jaggederest 22d agoInstead of registering foo.com, and having bob.foo.com, they would register bobfoo.com - they had hundreds or thousands of certs, as a result, and had to renew them all annually or biannually. We didn't even manage all of the domains, we just had to renew the ones our group was responsible for, and it was in the dozens, and each form was ~30-40 actions to fill out correctly. I forget whether they were quarterly or we just ended up doing it all the time, but it was a maddening task. Part of the explosion was that domains were not just in one TLD, they were bobfoo.com bobfoo.bar bobfoo.xyz and in many cases regionalized to bobfoo.co.uk or whatever. It wasn't "domain hoarding", because if you registered bobfoo.info you'd just get UDRP'd by corporate anyway, and nobody really wanted domains of the form somelongnamebobfoo.com This was also before something like LetsEncrypt where you could automatically generate certs for programmatic usage, so they were all done manually.
- collabs 22d agoShould Google be allowed to keep Google dot lol if it doesn't do anything useful with it? What about Google dot wtf? Any person with two brain cells would say these domains should belong to a fervent critic of Google, not to Google. Sadly neither our world not its legal system is built on common sense.
- bigbuppo 22d agoDomains are an infinite resource. Even a random string of characters can become valuable if the services running off that domain are valuable.
- skywhopper 22d agoReally large companies have lots of domains even if they aren’t “hoarding” them. But even a few dozen domains is enough to need automation.
- thayne 22d agoOne reason could be to prevent phishers from getting names similar to your actual domain(s).
- palemoonsinking 22d agoWhy would they want to drop the possibility of selling some as premium domains? If they have their shells setup right they will probably be able to get a premium from some 3rd level domain owners wrongly afraid someone else is interested. The main problem with the Internet today is that we didn't destroy ICANN when they started this TLD sell off crap. A replacement institution may have at least told Verisign a TLD they can't run transfer to someone who can meet its promises can only be destroyed.
- abofh 22d agoBecause it's not worth it financially. After icann is the tld registrar, and after that above. So, if anyone is destroying it, it's not the registrar, it's the tld.
- megagpt2 22d ago[dead]
- palemoonsinking 22d ago>> In light of the fact that Verisign and ICANN are in the process of discussing the upcoming renewal of the .NAME Registry Agreement, ICANN is issuing Verisign this letter in lieu of a contract amendment to the expiring It's clear to me ICANN can say no agreement change or total destruction. You are correct that they could do something else and show every indication that they would never do the right thing and that is why they should be destroyed.
- p4bl0 22d agoThe .name predates the TLD well-off crap. The first huge bulk of new TLDs happened in 2014, .name dates back from 2001, just like .info or .coop. Also, .name filled an actual need for general non ccTLD: companies had .com, organizations had .org, Internet related stuff had .net, there was .gov, .edu, .mil, and ccTLDs, but nothing made for individuals. It filled this use case, it actually made sense.
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