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> That is why I am not too enthusiastic that our Dutch intelligence agency will receive offensive capabilities as well AIVD[0] has had world renowned offensive

> That is why I am not too enthusiastic that our Dutch intelligence agency will receive offensive capabilities as well AIVD[0] has had world renowned offensive cyber capabilities for a long time now. They punch _way_ above their weight class, equalling and maybe surpassing the capabilities of countries like Russia, although Russia throws more people at it so they end up with a broader overall impact. It's actually really, really impressive what they've accomplished. You should be proud of it. For example of some of their good work: https://www.zdnet.com/article/dutch-spies-tipped-off-nsa-that-russia-was-hacking-the-democrats-new-reports-claim/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/dutch-spies-tipped-off-nsa-tha... "When hackers operating next to Moscow’s Red Square launched an attack against the Democratic Party in 2015, someone was watching. And that someone, according to new reports, was the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service (AIVD). Netherlands newspaper de Volkskrant and the public broadcaster NOS reported on Thursday evening that AIVD hackers had penetrated the Russian operation back in the summer of 2014." More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/26/dutch-media-reveal-country-to-be-secret-u-s-ally-in-war-against-russian-hackers/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/26... [0] https://english.aivd.nl/ https://english.aivd.nl/

exceptione 1mo ago
> It's actually really, really impressive what they've accomplished. You should be proud of it. No doubts about that, they are world class. But they are seeking to reduce oversight, and they succeed at that politically. The last government, a (far) right wing coalition of highly ineffective parties and personalities, with Schoof as so-called `neutral` prime minister had laid the ground work. Schoof had been director-general of the NCTV, in his roles he was connected to intelligence services. Unsurprisingly, in the short lifetime of his cabinet he managed to reduce oversight. This is a moral hazard. Nations should implement a very clear rule: when you have served in the intelligence service community, you cannot partake in politics. The intel branch should be firewalled off from the democratic branches. A good overview from a big dutch tech site: https://tweakers.net/reviews/15236/aivd-en-mivd-lijken-hun-zin-weer-te-krijgen-meer-bevoegdheden-minder-privacy.html https://tweakers.net/reviews/15236/aivd-en-mivd-lijken-hun-z...

exceptione 1mo ago

> It's actually really, really impressive what they've accomplished. You should be proud of it. No doubts about that, they are world class. But they are seeking to reduce oversight, and they succeed at that politically. The last government, a (far) right wing coalition of highly ineffective parties and personalities, with Schoof as so-called `neutral` prime minister had laid the ground work. Schoof had been director-general of the NCTV, in his roles he was connected to intelligence services. Unsurprisingly, in the short lifetime of his cabinet he managed to reduce oversight. This is a moral hazard. Nations should implement a very clear rule: when you have served in the intelligence service community, you cannot partake in politics. The intel branch should be firewalled off from the democratic branches. A good overview from a big dutch tech site: https://tweakers.net/reviews/15236/aivd-en-mivd-lijken-hun-zin-weer-te-krijgen-meer-bevoegdheden-minder-privacy.html https://tweakers.net/reviews/15236/aivd-en-mivd-lijken-hun-z...