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Very disappointed to see a program I remembered fondly for its native-feeling interface and functional, wholegrain feeling turned into whatever this is. It’s ak

Very disappointed to see a program I remembered fondly for its native-feeling interface and functional, wholegrain feeling turned into whatever this is. It’s akin to a nutrient-rich home cooked meal being replaced with McDonald’s. I should’ve known it was doomed from the moment I saw an advertisement for their Discord chat room in the readme.

JosephRedfern 23d ago
This doesn't feel like very constructive feedback. Have you actually tried 4.0 yet, or were you too put off by the Discord link to proceed? IMO Audacity has never been particularly native-feeling, and I don't buy the McDonalds analogy - this release is still lightweight. It'd be a fair comment if they'd e.g. move to Electron, but Qt 6 is hardly that.
- Joel_Mckay 23d ago
  wxWidgets uses the native OS interfaces. They have a valid point about Qt sometimes breaking things, and should be packaged as an audacity-qt6 fork. Your perspective is also valid, in that it could be phrased a little kinder. =3
  - epcoa 23d ago
    > wxWidgets uses the native OS interfaces. Audacity was fooling no one that it was a native MacOS app, or even a particularly well designed GTK app. The fundamental idea of WX is not sound. Turns out MFC is not a great abstraction for AppKit. Even Qt uses some higher level native UI interfaces on its respective implementations.
    - torstenvl 23d ago
      In what way is the fundamental idea of wxWidgets not sound? It works very well, and is pretty much the only toolkit to do what it does.
      - epcoa 16d ago
        Trying to shoe horn multiplatform UI into MFC? Just look at Unicode. It’s an unholy mess. The only toolkit to do what it does? Qt does what it does, even if the approach is not the same (arguably superior), there’s also Tk. There’s also libui and IUP.
sisosksjjs 23d ago
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tontonius 23d ago
open source apps can be insanely powerful (and free!) but a thing that keeps a lot of them from 'mainstream' adoption is simply the F-tier user experience gimp had the same issue and i wouldnt be surprised if you also miss the old GTK UI? making audacity feel like a modern app instead of a dusty relic isnt making it into McDonalds.. I for one applaud this upgrade -- its the polish it should have had years ago
- GaryBluto 23d ago
  I’ve long despised GTK and GIMP in general so I don’t think I’d like any form of its UI.
jamius19 23d ago
Ah yes, the native looking interface that doesn't even properly scale on a 4k monitor! Good times! God forbid someone actually improves a software!
Mashimo 23d ago
What about the new design do you think is not functional any more compared to version 3?
- Joel_Mckay 23d ago
  Many will discover >=Qt5 GL sometimes breaks in non-repairable ways on some linux desktops. On windows 11, Qt is usually fine if the license is still compatible... The old wxWidgets supports native OS interface targeting being truly cross-platform. Like all eye-candy interfaces at Microsoft, it will work until it doesn't. =3
  - Mashimo 23d ago
    It does not read like op is using about potential qt problems, rather current ux.
sunaookami 23d ago
Yeah, it's sad to see how such a great program was ruined by yet another company. Opened it the other day and was greeted with a welcome screen that advertised some online service, then I had to turn off telemetry and there is some cloud integration now?
drdexebtjl 23d ago
Audacity users are not programmers. Discord is the right platform to get feedback from normies.
butlike 23d ago
> Very disappointed to see a program I remembered fondly for its native-feeling interface and functional But it used wxWidgets, so by definition, NOT native interface

JosephRedfern 23d ago

This doesn't feel like very constructive feedback. Have you actually tried 4.0 yet, or were you too put off by the Discord link to proceed? IMO Audacity has never been particularly native-feeling, and I don't buy the McDonalds analogy - this release is still lightweight. It'd be a fair comment if they'd e.g. move to Electron, but Qt 6 is hardly that.

Joel_Mckay 23d ago
wxWidgets uses the native OS interfaces. They have a valid point about Qt sometimes breaking things, and should be packaged as an audacity-qt6 fork. Your perspective is also valid, in that it could be phrased a little kinder. =3
- epcoa 23d ago
  > wxWidgets uses the native OS interfaces. Audacity was fooling no one that it was a native MacOS app, or even a particularly well designed GTK app. The fundamental idea of WX is not sound. Turns out MFC is not a great abstraction for AppKit. Even Qt uses some higher level native UI interfaces on its respective implementations.
  - torstenvl 23d ago
    In what way is the fundamental idea of wxWidgets not sound? It works very well, and is pretty much the only toolkit to do what it does.
    - epcoa 16d ago
      Trying to shoe horn multiplatform UI into MFC? Just look at Unicode. It’s an unholy mess. The only toolkit to do what it does? Qt does what it does, even if the approach is not the same (arguably superior), there’s also Tk. There’s also libui and IUP.

sisosksjjs 23d ago

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tontonius 23d ago

open source apps can be insanely powerful (and free!) but a thing that keeps a lot of them from 'mainstream' adoption is simply the F-tier user experience gimp had the same issue and i wouldnt be surprised if you also miss the old GTK UI? making audacity feel like a modern app instead of a dusty relic isnt making it into McDonalds.. I for one applaud this upgrade -- its the polish it should have had years ago

GaryBluto 23d ago
I’ve long despised GTK and GIMP in general so I don’t think I’d like any form of its UI.

jamius19 23d ago

Ah yes, the native looking interface that doesn't even properly scale on a 4k monitor! Good times! God forbid someone actually improves a software!

Mashimo 23d ago

What about the new design do you think is not functional any more compared to version 3?

Joel_Mckay 23d ago
Many will discover >=Qt5 GL sometimes breaks in non-repairable ways on some linux desktops. On windows 11, Qt is usually fine if the license is still compatible... The old wxWidgets supports native OS interface targeting being truly cross-platform. Like all eye-candy interfaces at Microsoft, it will work until it doesn't. =3
- Mashimo 23d ago
  It does not read like op is using about potential qt problems, rather current ux.

sunaookami 23d ago

Yeah, it's sad to see how such a great program was ruined by yet another company. Opened it the other day and was greeted with a welcome screen that advertised some online service, then I had to turn off telemetry and there is some cloud integration now?

drdexebtjl 23d ago

Audacity users are not programmers. Discord is the right platform to get feedback from normies.

butlike 23d ago

> Very disappointed to see a program I remembered fondly for its native-feeling interface and functional But it used wxWidgets, so by definition, NOT native interface