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> We can't just bury our heads in the sand. Kids are going to need to engage with this This was the same argument made for smartphones in schools. > it cannot

> We can't just bury our heads in the sand. Kids are going to need to engage with this This was the same argument made for smartphones in schools. > it cannot wait until after they graduate high school I have a strong opinion about technology in early education. The evidence is more mixed for high-school students—I don’t have a view there. If the argument is no AI in elementary or middle school, and controller introduction in high school, I could get on board with that as long as the solution is being developed by the state and not one of the AI companies or tech giants. > everyone needs to learn to work with AI to do advanced math Most people don’t need to know advanced math. Our problem, currently, is college students being unable to do basic math. Or hold attention through a book. > it has to be both Why? AI isn’t a mature technology. I’m not convinced someone who was chatting with ChatGPT in 2023 is more productive with AI, today, than someone who started building agentic workflows into their processes six months ago.

pj_mukh 2mo ago
>>solution is being developed by the state I'm curious, how do you envision this development happening? You're (presumably) calling for all school boards to ban any AI developed anything in classrooms like NY just did. Are you expecting public universities to perhaps carry out studies first? For reference, I think putting a tablet with an AI in front of kids to talk to is a silly boogeyman most people seem to be talking about in this thread. My vision was always teacher tooling that would greatly expand the teachers ability to develop individualized curriculum and test a kids progress in a classroom etc. But calling for such blanket bans means we can't even test any of this..anywhere.
- JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
  > how do you envision this development happening? Idk. I don’t have a great solution. But I also don’t think kids being slightly less familiar with AI at schools is a real problem. > how do you envision this development happening? Literally two classrooms I’ve seen in the Bronx in the last 6 months. Tablets are cheaper than teachers. > My vision was always teacher tooling I like this. I support it. I don’t support putting it in front of kids. Given how corrupt our AI leadership is right now, erring on the side of caution seems prudent. > calling for such blanket bans means we can't even test any of this No? We still have AI everywhere. We can still do controlled studies.
  - pj_mukh 2mo ago
    >> Given how corrupt our AI leadership is right now, erring on the side of caution seems prudent. None of the headline grabbing CEO's have any official education relationships. This seems like a "I saw some bad headlines" vibey reaction. >>No? We still have AI everywhere. We can still do controlled studies. Not in schools we can't, where Teacher productivity has slumped. Teachers are spending more time doing admin work, and less time with kids. Meanwhile, rich parents who send their kids to Private schools can experiment ASAP (this ban doesn't affect them), and get any and all productivity enhancements. Shouldn't the government be creating some space for experimentation? Shouldn't it be the onus of the banning party to create this space?

pj_mukh 2mo ago

>>solution is being developed by the state I'm curious, how do you envision this development happening? You're (presumably) calling for all school boards to ban any AI developed anything in classrooms like NY just did. Are you expecting public universities to perhaps carry out studies first? For reference, I think putting a tablet with an AI in front of kids to talk to is a silly boogeyman most people seem to be talking about in this thread. My vision was always teacher tooling that would greatly expand the teachers ability to develop individualized curriculum and test a kids progress in a classroom etc. But calling for such blanket bans means we can't even test any of this..anywhere.

JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
> how do you envision this development happening? Idk. I don’t have a great solution. But I also don’t think kids being slightly less familiar with AI at schools is a real problem. > how do you envision this development happening? Literally two classrooms I’ve seen in the Bronx in the last 6 months. Tablets are cheaper than teachers. > My vision was always teacher tooling I like this. I support it. I don’t support putting it in front of kids. Given how corrupt our AI leadership is right now, erring on the side of caution seems prudent. > calling for such blanket bans means we can't even test any of this No? We still have AI everywhere. We can still do controlled studies.
- pj_mukh 2mo ago
  >> Given how corrupt our AI leadership is right now, erring on the side of caution seems prudent. None of the headline grabbing CEO's have any official education relationships. This seems like a "I saw some bad headlines" vibey reaction. >>No? We still have AI everywhere. We can still do controlled studies. Not in schools we can't, where Teacher productivity has slumped. Teachers are spending more time doing admin work, and less time with kids. Meanwhile, rich parents who send their kids to Private schools can experiment ASAP (this ban doesn't affect them), and get any and all productivity enhancements. Shouldn't the government be creating some space for experimentation? Shouldn't it be the onus of the banning party to create this space?