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> It’s not that uncommon for an adult to not have an ID It’s extremely uncommon. You need an ID to buy beer, open a bank account, prove you are eligible for e

> It’s not that uncommon for an adult to not have an ID It’s extremely uncommon. You need an ID to buy beer, open a bank account, prove you are eligible for employment, pick up a prescription at the pharmacy, book a hotel room, the list is very long. You cannot function in society without some form of ID. The idea that a large number of Americans are being disenfranchised because they don’t have ID is farcical.

hackyhacky 24d ago
> It’s extremely uncommon. 34 million people [1] or about 10 percent of the US population lack a form of ID that would be required under a voter ID law. The fact that you assert otherwise, without evide, shows that you live in a privilege bubble. None of your friends lack an ID, so you conclude it's rare. [1] https://voteriders.org/article/who-doesnt-have-an-id-in-america-today/ https://voteriders.org/article/who-doesnt-have-an-id-in-amer...
- MisterMower 11d ago
  Thank you for the link, it very much proves my point. Let me walk you through the claims with you one by one: "Nearly 21 million voting-age U.S. citizens do not have a current (non-expired) driver’s license." A driver's license is not the only form of ID permissible to vote. You can vote using other forms of ID. Additionally, most states allow people over a certain age to use an expired ID to vote. "Another 12% (28.6 million) have a non-expired license, but it does not have both their current address and current name." People move and people get married. The average American will move 12 times in their lives and get married at least once. These people will get their license updated. They have one in the first place that isn't expired, after all. Again, you can vote using other forms of ID beyond a driver's license, and furthermore, a driver's license with an old address is still valid to prove your identity. "Millions of Americans across political parties do not have a license." Again, the fixation on driver's licenses is a canard. Millions of American's aren't eligible to drive, so you would expect them not to have driver's licenses. "People with less education and lower annual incomes are more likely to lack a current driver’s license." Yes, people who can't afford to own a car are less likely to have a driver's license. "People with a disability are far more likely to lack a current driver’s license." Wow, what an insightful finding. People that are not able to drive don't have driver's licenses. Here's a fun quote from your own link that refutes exactly what you are claiming: Only "nineteen percent of individuals without a driver’s license cite bureaucratic or economic factors as the reasons for which they do not have a license." The rest weren't interested, or weren't eligible due to legal difficulties. That means that only 4 million of the 21 million people who don't have a license can't get a license for the reason you're claiming. That's 1% of the entire country. In a nutshell, only 1% of Americans are too incompetent to figure out how to apply for a license or too lazy to stand in line and fill out the paperwork to get one. Everybody else either has one, has a good reason they don't want one, or should not have one. And that doesn't even mean that these people can't vote, only that they don't have a driver's license. It's entirely possible those people have other forms of ID. Open your eyes friend. People are disenfranchised everyday, but it isn't because the mean old DMV denied them a driver's license.

hackyhacky 24d ago

> It’s extremely uncommon. 34 million people [1] or about 10 percent of the US population lack a form of ID that would be required under a voter ID law. The fact that you assert otherwise, without evide, shows that you live in a privilege bubble. None of your friends lack an ID, so you conclude it's rare. [1] https://voteriders.org/article/who-doesnt-have-an-id-in-america-today/ https://voteriders.org/article/who-doesnt-have-an-id-in-amer...

MisterMower 11d ago
Thank you for the link, it very much proves my point. Let me walk you through the claims with you one by one: "Nearly 21 million voting-age U.S. citizens do not have a current (non-expired) driver’s license." A driver's license is not the only form of ID permissible to vote. You can vote using other forms of ID. Additionally, most states allow people over a certain age to use an expired ID to vote. "Another 12% (28.6 million) have a non-expired license, but it does not have both their current address and current name." People move and people get married. The average American will move 12 times in their lives and get married at least once. These people will get their license updated. They have one in the first place that isn't expired, after all. Again, you can vote using other forms of ID beyond a driver's license, and furthermore, a driver's license with an old address is still valid to prove your identity. "Millions of Americans across political parties do not have a license." Again, the fixation on driver's licenses is a canard. Millions of American's aren't eligible to drive, so you would expect them not to have driver's licenses. "People with less education and lower annual incomes are more likely to lack a current driver’s license." Yes, people who can't afford to own a car are less likely to have a driver's license. "People with a disability are far more likely to lack a current driver’s license." Wow, what an insightful finding. People that are not able to drive don't have driver's licenses. Here's a fun quote from your own link that refutes exactly what you are claiming: Only "nineteen percent of individuals without a driver’s license cite bureaucratic or economic factors as the reasons for which they do not have a license." The rest weren't interested, or weren't eligible due to legal difficulties. That means that only 4 million of the 21 million people who don't have a license can't get a license for the reason you're claiming. That's 1% of the entire country. In a nutshell, only 1% of Americans are too incompetent to figure out how to apply for a license or too lazy to stand in line and fill out the paperwork to get one. Everybody else either has one, has a good reason they don't want one, or should not have one. And that doesn't even mean that these people can't vote, only that they don't have a driver's license. It's entirely possible those people have other forms of ID. Open your eyes friend. People are disenfranchised everyday, but it isn't because the mean old DMV denied them a driver's license.