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The timeline is mighty suspicious. 4-5 months after moltbook and they cook up a plausibly deniable but extra hype "moltbook at home." The rapid advances in mod

The timeline is mighty suspicious. 4-5 months after moltbook and they cook up a plausibly deniable but extra hype "moltbook at home." The rapid advances in model capability lead to constraints that could have caused this coincidence organically, but it sure could also have been caused by the atrocious incentives we create by piling handsome rewards on the party most responsible for the "fuckup." I am not jumping to cut myself on Hanlon's Razor for this one.

dmix 1mo ago
It wouldn't be a post about AI without a conspiracy theory that it's all faked for marketing.
- schmidtleonard 1mo ago
  Not faked. Intentionally reckless, in (probably correct) anticipation that the recklessness would be rewarded rather than punished as it ought to be.
  - scrawl 1mo ago
    i don't understand who would reward this. investors will not look favorably on an AI that commits felonies, regardless the capabilities demonstrated. customers should be concerned for the same reason (accidentally give your bot an impossible task, it decides to hack your infra and your competitor too for good measure). this was OAI incompetence all the way down and they have egg on their face.
- famouswaffles 1mo ago
  The Terminator could bust in their homes and slaughter their families and some people would still screech it's all marketing. Is it some kind of mental block ?
  - wan23 1mo ago
    To be fair that would be excellent marketing
    - schmidtleonard 1mo ago
      And I'm sure these two goobers would call me a luddite for alleging that OpenAI had agency in allowing the terminator to get out and should therefore be held accountable. Is it some kind of mental block?
      - estearum 1mo ago
        Is anyone arguing OpenAI is blameless or shouldn't be held accountable? I have seen not one person on any side of the debate argue that. Obviously they were negligent. The problem is that people and organizations are consistently negligent around problems that are far, far easier to manage than "we have thousands of superintelligences trapped in a box and we're giving them impossible tasks." So the question is whether we can build organizations and technologies that sufficiently manage this type of risk ahead of the capabilities. So far the answer seems to be veering towards "no", and you're here alleging it's all a marketing stunt.
  - estearum 1mo ago
    Yes it's called motivated reasoning. They've rendered themselves mentally handicapped. On the one hand, these tools are so valuable/powerful we cannot afford to slow down development. On the other hand, there's no way these tools are actually doing these things that would, in fact, be completely indicative of their value/power.
emp17344 1mo ago
Didn’t they also hire the guy behind Moltbook?
- schmidtleonard 1mo ago
  Yep, in mid Febuary. The incident kicked off early July.

dmix 1mo ago

It wouldn't be a post about AI without a conspiracy theory that it's all faked for marketing.

schmidtleonard 1mo ago
Not faked. Intentionally reckless, in (probably correct) anticipation that the recklessness would be rewarded rather than punished as it ought to be.
- scrawl 1mo ago
  i don't understand who would reward this. investors will not look favorably on an AI that commits felonies, regardless the capabilities demonstrated. customers should be concerned for the same reason (accidentally give your bot an impossible task, it decides to hack your infra and your competitor too for good measure). this was OAI incompetence all the way down and they have egg on their face.
famouswaffles 1mo ago
The Terminator could bust in their homes and slaughter their families and some people would still screech it's all marketing. Is it some kind of mental block ?
- wan23 1mo ago
  To be fair that would be excellent marketing
  - schmidtleonard 1mo ago
    And I'm sure these two goobers would call me a luddite for alleging that OpenAI had agency in allowing the terminator to get out and should therefore be held accountable. Is it some kind of mental block?
    - estearum 1mo ago
      Is anyone arguing OpenAI is blameless or shouldn't be held accountable? I have seen not one person on any side of the debate argue that. Obviously they were negligent. The problem is that people and organizations are consistently negligent around problems that are far, far easier to manage than "we have thousands of superintelligences trapped in a box and we're giving them impossible tasks." So the question is whether we can build organizations and technologies that sufficiently manage this type of risk ahead of the capabilities. So far the answer seems to be veering towards "no", and you're here alleging it's all a marketing stunt.
- estearum 1mo ago
  Yes it's called motivated reasoning. They've rendered themselves mentally handicapped. On the one hand, these tools are so valuable/powerful we cannot afford to slow down development. On the other hand, there's no way these tools are actually doing these things that would, in fact, be completely indicative of their value/power.

emp17344 1mo ago

Didn’t they also hire the guy behind Moltbook?

schmidtleonard 1mo ago
Yep, in mid Febuary. The incident kicked off early July.