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Well what do you expect? Holing yourself up in your home is something you can do unilaterally. In-person team collaboration requires... well, collaboration. It'

Well what do you expect? Holing yourself up in your home is something you can do unilaterally. In-person team collaboration requires... well, collaboration. It's not a unilateral action so there isn't unilateral advice.

catchnear4321 1mo ago
in-person collaboration requiring in-person more than collaboration, as collaboration is quite possible remotely, and even asynchronously. “holing yourself up…” but it wasn’t about conversation, it was about opinion.
broknbottle 1mo ago
100%. The Linux kernel would have never grown and become so successful if it weren’t for everybody in the office all those years just collaborate-maxxxing … /s
pjmlp 1mo ago
Except most of us don't do team collaboration in the office anyway. With very few exceptions, all my projects involve distributed teams in a mix of nearshore and offshoring, across multiple locations.
- FoundTheDouche 1mo ago
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  - cindyllm 1mo ago
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  - pjmlp 1mo ago
    If you say so.
locknitpicker 1mo ago
> In-person team collaboration requires... well, collaboration. You're confusing things. Collaboration doesn't require you to be continuously in the same room with people 5 days a week, 8 hours a day, and your personal needs to be in a room with someone else does not justify forcing everyone under payroll to commute to the office. You already need to schedule meetings to be in the same room with someone, don't you? Why would anyone have to waste their time commuting to the office if you didn't booked a meeting?
- missedthecue 1mo ago
  You're misunderstanding my use of the term collaboration. I'm not using it as corporate speak for "teamwork". I'm saying that in order for me to go into the office with everyone, everyone needs to go into the office. That's an axiomatic self-proving statement. As opposed to WFH where one can simply do that without other people also doing it.
  - locknitpicker 1mo ago
    > I'm saying that in order for me to go into the office with everyone, everyone needs to go into the office. No. You feel you need everyone around you at the office, but that is you and you speak for yourself. Others have a say on that, don't they? For you to be around people in a way you don't get in the way of everyone else around you, you need to coordinate. This means you need to plan ahead and schedule meetings with a specific agenda to discuss with the people whose time you want to waste. That doesn't require everyone else to drive all the way to the office 5 days a week,and then send there 8 or 9 hours a day. In some cases a simple message does the work. In some cases a call will do. For the rare occasions where you need to be at arm's reach of someone, you guys can plan ahead. So why do you believe it's reasonable ti demand everyone around you to bend backwards to accommodate your peculiar requirements of proximity?
shikck200 1mo ago
Nah. 99% of meetings are fluff. Something that could have been just an short email. Meetings are for people who do not get anything done. for people who like to waste other peoples time. The actual good meetings are the ones that have a VERY clear context, and goes down to details that EVERYONE in the meetings know by heart. These are rare, maybe one a year.

catchnear4321 1mo ago

in-person collaboration requiring in-person more than collaboration, as collaboration is quite possible remotely, and even asynchronously. “holing yourself up…” but it wasn’t about conversation, it was about opinion.

broknbottle 1mo ago

100%. The Linux kernel would have never grown and become so successful if it weren’t for everybody in the office all those years just collaborate-maxxxing … /s

pjmlp 1mo ago

Except most of us don't do team collaboration in the office anyway. With very few exceptions, all my projects involve distributed teams in a mix of nearshore and offshoring, across multiple locations.

FoundTheDouche 1mo ago
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- cindyllm 1mo ago
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- pjmlp 1mo ago
  If you say so.

locknitpicker 1mo ago

> In-person team collaboration requires... well, collaboration. You're confusing things. Collaboration doesn't require you to be continuously in the same room with people 5 days a week, 8 hours a day, and your personal needs to be in a room with someone else does not justify forcing everyone under payroll to commute to the office. You already need to schedule meetings to be in the same room with someone, don't you? Why would anyone have to waste their time commuting to the office if you didn't booked a meeting?

missedthecue 1mo ago
You're misunderstanding my use of the term collaboration. I'm not using it as corporate speak for "teamwork". I'm saying that in order for me to go into the office with everyone, everyone needs to go into the office. That's an axiomatic self-proving statement. As opposed to WFH where one can simply do that without other people also doing it.
- locknitpicker 1mo ago
  > I'm saying that in order for me to go into the office with everyone, everyone needs to go into the office. No. You feel you need everyone around you at the office, but that is you and you speak for yourself. Others have a say on that, don't they? For you to be around people in a way you don't get in the way of everyone else around you, you need to coordinate. This means you need to plan ahead and schedule meetings with a specific agenda to discuss with the people whose time you want to waste. That doesn't require everyone else to drive all the way to the office 5 days a week,and then send there 8 or 9 hours a day. In some cases a simple message does the work. In some cases a call will do. For the rare occasions where you need to be at arm's reach of someone, you guys can plan ahead. So why do you believe it's reasonable ti demand everyone around you to bend backwards to accommodate your peculiar requirements of proximity?

shikck200 1mo ago

Nah. 99% of meetings are fluff. Something that could have been just an short email. Meetings are for people who do not get anything done. for people who like to waste other peoples time. The actual good meetings are the ones that have a VERY clear context, and goes down to details that EVERYONE in the meetings know by heart. These are rare, maybe one a year.