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Meta is one of those companies where, if there is anything remotely comparable, I'm happy to pay more to not use them. They've had a profoundly negative impact
by tyre 1mo ago
Meta is one of those companies where, if there is anything remotely comparable, I'm happy to pay more to not use them. They've had a profoundly negative impact on society and Zuckerberg is not who I want controlling the future at the top of AI.
I feel the same about Grok w/ Elon. I will pay extra to use someone else.
I'm not an Amodei stan, but of all of these people he seems to have the most ethical focus. Again, not everything done perfectly and I have my gripes, but of the leaders of frontier labs, I'll vote with my money.
And, yeah, I wouldn't trust sama to watch my bag while I went to the bathroom.
- loeg 1mo ago"Avoid generic tangents" / "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances."
- reaperducer 1mo ago"Avoid generic tangents" / "Please don't complain about tangential annoyances." That's pretty much 90% of HN these days. Apple releases a new iPhone? Here comes the flood of decade-old complaints about long-discontinued Mac butterfly keyboards and walled gardens. Microsoft releases a new version of Windows? Here come the gripes about Azure. Google changes something in GMail? Play Store! It's like there's an army of bots out there determined to reduce the productivity of the Western tech bubble by diverting everyone into endless circular arguments about absolutely nothing of relevance to the topic at hand.
- _diyar 1mo agoHow is this a tangential annoyance or a generic tangent? > Meta announces they have a new model, demonstrating its capabilities. > Parent comment states „regardless of this model‘s specific capabilities, if I can avoid it I will.“
- loeg 1mo agoGrandparent comment has zero to do with the article. It's just GP generically bitching about Meta. (Your "quote" of the comment does not appear anywhere in the actual comment.)
- wetpaws 1mo ago[dead]
- optimalsolver 1mo agoIf it was up to Dario we'd all be banned from using open-weight models, and we'd have to be investigated for PRC connections before sending our allotted five API queries a week.
- redox99 1mo agoGoogle, Zuck, Sama, Elon, Amodei (in no particular order). They all suck. Pick your poison.
- kenjackson 1mo agoThey don't all suck equally. Here's the order, from best to worst. Amodei Google SamA Zuck Elon
- scottyah 1mo agoSamA better than Zuck? Zuck was at least a kid when he made a lot of his bad decisions, and he seems to be getting much better. Sam is on the reverse trajectory.
- Zambyte 1mo agoSam is on a delayed trajectory of power, but he surely was not great when he was young either. See: Aaron Swartz calling him a sociopath who could not be trusted, well over a decade ago.
- KptMarchewa 1mo agoI am 100% convinced Zuck is maybe better at masking now, but is exactly the same lizard who wrote >>> They "trust me" >>> Dumb fucks
- redox99 1mo agoYou can ask 100 people and they'll all give you a different list. It's subjective. I think a less personal ranking would be, as a business owner, which of those providers is more dependable? As in, you don't care about evil, just your stuff working. I think maybe OpenAI?
- a2ff6eeb0 1mo agoGoogle. They have experience operating at scale, and AI is a big enough focus that they won't wind it down. All the big providers are kinda crappy, but if you want reliability, Google is the best option.
- drob518 1mo agoGotta be honest that I’m tired of the “I hate Zuck and Meta so much” comments every time Meta does anything. Ditto Elon/X. Fine, I get it. I don’t like Zuck either. But the post is about Muse Spark 1.3. What do you think about that? If you don’t like it because Meta made it, then maybe just don’t use it and stay silent.
- idiotsecant 1mo agoNot liking something because the embodiment of corporate malfeasance is a rational way to decide what products to support.
- duplessitous 1mo agoTechnology doesn't just spring into being, there will always be comments on the organizations that developed it. If you don't like them or find them repetitive, it is far easier to collapse them and move on then bend a stranger to your will
- canadaduane 1mo agoI get it, but the underlying problem is: we don't have a society-wide, effective solution to counterbalancing extractive systems. Lacking a reliable label, we have to constantly signal what's on the ingredients list.
- drob518 1mo agoOkay, but the comment I reacted to was not that. It was simply (paraphrasing) “I won’t use anything from Zuck/Meta.” If it had been, “Be careful because I have insider information that Zuck/Meta is using Muse Spark to do <insert-nefarious-thing-here>, and here’s my substantiation for that…” I’d be okay with it. That’s interesting information that moves a conversation forward. But it wasn’t. It was just content-free “I don’t like Zuck” nonsense.
- luckylion 1mo agoAre not all corporations extractive by nature? Google clearly is. That's obviously not the issue with that -- you don't see those comments on Google's AI announcements.
- fouc 1mo agoHow have they had a negative impact? How about google?
- Yajirobe 1mo agoEnabled genocide in Myanmar
- aftbit 1mo agoOkay but Muse Glimmer 30B is one of the best small open weight models today, and IMO the best from a US lab (only real comparison is Gemma4 dense right now).
- Bluestein 1mo agoI am finding Poolside's a decent model.-
- hadlock 1mo agoBy their own benchmarks it is about 10% lower scoring than Qwen 3.6 35b-a3b, but I've added it to my list. Always looking for MoE to compare to it so we can squeeze more out of our local LLM system.
- Bluestein 1mo agoI found it has some "tail" errors, wherein it would make up important details (ie. "happypath.exp" vs "happypaws.exp" and then claim your "DNS is having issues" - where the second domain does not exist), things like that.- ... but correctly supervised it does get some things done.-
- aftbit 1mo agoI've found that's generally true of smaller / weaker models. They're quite capable, but you need to distrust them a lot and give them very detailed instructions. Even the free Gemini in Google Search is like this - it lies a lot, clips off important info, and generally goes off the rails if you do too many turns, but it's still very useful if you keep all that in mind.
- Bluestein 1mo agoSpot on. Guardrails is the game.-
- tyre 1mo ago
- jwitthuhn 1mo agoDario's idea of an ethical focus seems to be keeping powerful models out of the hand of anyone unethical, which coincidentally is everyone except him.
- tehlike 1mo agoPretty much. That's even worse imho.
- tyre 1mo agoYeah this would be a great point if it were true and they didn’t give Mythos access to companies to fix bugs, which they did and have. It’s genuinely a difficult question. Not black and white. The models are really good at finding bugs, as demonstrated by people using Fable to reverse engineer. People make it sound like he’s just making it up.
- phoghed 1mo agoThis would be more convincing if mythos was something uniquely special and not something merely a couple months ahead of everyone else. It was great marketing though.
- hgoel 1mo agoThey gave access, but considering that they wouldn't even sign the "don't ban open weights" letter, it's clear they would prefer to have tight control over who they bless with that access.
- throwaway63486 1mo agoI'm the guy you replied to, apologies for using a different account I'm away from my computer now. The distinction to me is that Anthropic gives access to that model but doesn't give control. They reserve the right to cut you off if they don't like what you are doing and require you allow data retention for Fable and Mythos to ensure your are not up to any skullduggery. Meta, Alibaba, Mistral, even OpenAI has released models users can run locally and fully control. That is a whole world of difference.
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- devy 1mo ago> I'm not an Amodei stan, but of all of these people he seems to have the most ethical focus. Again, not everything done perfectly and I have my gripes, but of the leaders of frontier labs, I'll vote with my money. Amodei is NO Saint!!! He's the most savvy in drumming up the AI doomsday scenarios and haven't yet to apologized his failed forecast of Claude taking over 90% of the coding jobs.
- samtheprogram 1mo agoHe didn't say 90% of the coding jobs. He said LLMs would write 90% of the code. As in be LLM generated.
- bradlys 1mo agoWhat is the point of this comment?
- jansport123 1mo agosomeone expressing their view of meta which is on point by the way.
- platinumrad 1mo agoFunny. Dario seems like the biggest snake in the industry to me and has leaned the hardest into doom marketing out of all of the influential leaders. With Altman (or Google), it's a transaction, and that's something I can live with.
- tyre 1mo agoI just don’t see how people have looked at what has happened with Mythos and the deluge of fixes from companies, then come to this conclusion. He has a really hard job. He errs on the side of conservatism in releasing and then people get Really Mad. Safeguards on cybersecurity are not great for Anthropic revenue! As evidenced by people getting pissed, moving to Sol, and them having a smaller market for what Fable can do. It’s clearly bad for revenue and not great advertising to say, “you can’t use this but here is a nerfed version that will annoy you and not solve important problems.”
- SwellJoe 1mo agoAnthropic/Amodei have been the most alarmist about model safety, so multiple things can be true. A lot of tech companies avoided scrutiny by sending bribes to Trump (naked corruption is bad, I'd rather nobody do that), Anthropic didn't...so, combined with their fear-mongering about the danger of Mythos and open models (which seems aimed at regulatory capture) and the lack of bribes flowing to the Trump administration, they got stepped on by the federal government based on the excuse Anthropic provided. I dunno. Everybody seems to be playing pretty dirty. Some people have a much longer history of that, though. Obviously, Meta and Musk are outliers even in an industry full of problematic behavior.
- felixgallo 1mo agoI don’t see how you can look at what happened with hugging face and keep up the facade of anyone being alarmist or faking it.
- SwellJoe 1mo ago
- TacticalCoder 1mo agoMeta and Microsoft are two of the absolute worst evil companies on earth and Amodei is trying very hard to join them. These Effective Altruists are despicable people: a bunch of thieves working to line up their own pockets while posturing as a force of good. Remember that they schemed to not only present SBF as the 2nd coming of Christ (including in the NYT and in Forbes) but to also give him a voice after his scam had been uncovered. Thankfully, the judge didn't have any of this Effective Altruist bullshit. SBF invested 500 millions of misappropriated funds in his buddy from the EA movement's Anthropic company (and, thankfully, the judge forced those shares to be sold: so SBF didn't get to be a billionaire). You cannot hate enough people who say that harming others for the greater good is justified. Then of course, already mentioned in this thread, there's the whole Epstein/Amodei's "I'm in the porn business" wife connection (where you don't need to squint much to see young women abused). These kind of people are the absolute worst scum on this earth.
- ls_stats 1mo agoIs it really hard to understand that there's no good guys? Amodei, Altman, Zuckerberg, Musk, etc. They all sound the same to me.
- biddit 1mo agoStrong disagree with the Anthropic being good at all part. This is not defending anyone else, but… Anthropic leadership repeatedly presents themselves as uniquely morally qualified to steward agi and decide how humanity should get access to it. Yet they have repeatedly failed basic morality tests. Pirating books for financial gain. The newer Sony/Warner music case shows this is pattern behavior. Aggressively scraping other people's works, despite the authors' requests not to do so. Then applying massive usage restrictions on their own work. And probably the most disqualifying is backing away from their own hard AI safety commitments.
- nostromo 1mo agoIt makes me sad that people don’t see right through Anthropic’s gambit. They want to position AI as an insurmountable threat in order to regulate away any future competitors. They’re trying to speedrun regulatory capture.
- sscaryterry 1mo agoIt is so obvious yet most people don't want to see it.
- metadat 1mo agoIt's more like Anthropic present themselves in a deceptive way. I was confused at first too until someone on HN clued me in! Humans naturally want SOMEONE to be the good guy! Sad story, in this instance.
- dofm 1mo ago> Anthropic leadership Which one? The main bit that reports to Daniela Amodei, or the little comfort blanket cabinet around Dario and his "chief of staff"? There is a leadership branch that can pretend to be morally qualified and aware and to think about the big picture and ethics. It is at least somewhat remote from the bit that is doing the actual business things.
- vovavili 1mo ago
- badsectoracula 1mo ago> he seems to have the most ethical focus He wants to build a tech-god kept in chains whose power he parcels out to the unwashed masses he deems worthy like some sort of high priest of intelligence. And that is being charitable and going by the interpretation that he actually believes what he says.
- im3w1l 1mo agoWell what do you want? Presenting clear, desirable, and achievable visions and trying to build consensus for how AI should develop is crucial at this point in time.
- spiderfarmer 1mo agoSame with Grok.
- dimgl 1mo agoI'll use both Muse Spark and Grok.
- jansport123 1mo agono loyalty to any company - let them compete and then we get to choose.
- greatgib 1mo agoI hate Meta main business, but you have to admit that on the non business related and open source side, they have released amazing things that changed the world. React for example. And we could easily guess that there wouldn't have been so much open source models, and grand public experiments and free tools if llama models were not release to the general public.
- inferniac 1mo agoanthropic people have genuine delusions of grandeur, in a way they the worst of all the ai companies, definitely most cult-like
- anukin 1mo agoAnthropic is not exactly a saint either. I had a recent issue where they denied fable credits even though I was hospitalized during the claim period. I have annual plan with them. As much as everyone hates sama, I think OpenAI is much more of a company with good marketing and sales team.
- ballon_monkey 1mo agoI'll happily pay for Grok, it's a great model. 4.6 often does better than Anthropic at coding and analysis where Anthropic fails for 'oh no cyber security, don't ask me to check if you're redacting passwords correctly in logs'. And it has no problem telling the truth where OpenAI / Anthropic don't want to upset the people on the left and will happily lie or avoid hard truths. Edit: I get it. It's a hard pill to swallow. I understand people don't like Musk or Zuck. But it doesn't change the fact that you're being lied to and brainwashed.
- aqme28 1mo agoI agree, though I wonder how much of that is just that Dario is the "newest" of the bunch, and as such has had the least time to develop public baggage.